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July 1, 2005

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Medical schools have always subjected applicants’ academic records to close scrutiny. Now, more are starting to look at criminal records.

Several institutions recently started --  or will soon start -- criminal background checks of those accepted to medical school. The checks have two purposes: to help students whose previous crimes mean they must go through certain programs before they can get a medical license and to keep out of medical school applicants whose crimes are deemed too serious to be eligible.

With more state legislatures requiring background checks for medical students, the Association of American Medical Colleges' Executive Council last month recommended that medical schools require background checks of all accepted applicants. According to the AAMC, 18 of the 86 medical schools that responded when asked recently said they are already conducting checks. Others said that they would soon start checks that will likely bar most students with felony convictions from enrolling in medical school.

After a state legislator introduced a bill that would require checks on all medical students in North Carolina, Wake Forest University decided it will begin a program that it hopes will be up and running within a few years. Wake Forest already required checks for its physician’s assistant program, but now will extend that to medical students.

Twenty-two state medical boards have the legislative authority to conduct background checks for a doctor to get a license, and North Carolina’s board is one of them. “It would be kind of a shame if a student went all the way through medical school and then had something in their background that precluded them getting a license,” said Robert Conn, spokesman for the Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

The Dallas-based Federation of State Medical Boards expects more boards to gain the right to do background checks because “it’s a public protection issue,” said Dale L. Austin, senior vice president and chief operating officer of the federation.

Ohio State University’s College of Medicine and Public Health just completed its first year with background checks. Incoming students are given the chance for self-disclosure, and then university security checks their criminal backgrounds, and that of every enrolled student each year. If a previous crime is unearthed, the case is handed to a special counselor. The counselor helps students get whatever documentation that they will need to be eligible for residency. “It’s really not a witch hunt,” said Daniel Clinchot, associate dean for clinical education.

“The students face a background check to become a resident anyway. This gives them a chance to get the necessary material together in case they had a DUI or something like that. They have to show they went through an alcohol program.”

Incoming students have to pay between $15 and $39 for the check, which uses data from various law enforcement agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation. After the initial check, Ohio State picks up the tab. If a check reveals felony convictions, sex crimes, or child endangerment, a student may be blocked from enrolling, or asked to leave. With the first year of checks done, Clinchot said several minor things came up, but nothing that forced anybody out of the college. He also said that, though faculty members initially worried that students would feel the checks were an invasion of privacy, they were “uniformally well received,” he said. “That was a little bit of a surprise to us.”

According to 2003 self-reporting survey by the American Medical Application Service, 201 of the 34,000 applicants who used the service reported felony convictions. Of those 201, 199 were not allowed to enroll in medical school.

Leana Wen, national president of the American Medical Student Association, does not think that minor infractions should keep people out of medical school, but supports the notion of using background checks as part of a character evaluation. "The larger question is about ethics overall," said Wen, a medical student at Washington University in St. Louis. “Any of us who have gone to med school know people who have lied and cheated. We think med schools should screen for qualities of professionalism in each individual in general. Criminal background may be part of that process.”

In Minnesota, the state requires any person in the health-care industry to undergo a background check. For the last decade, the state has paid for every student at the University of Minnesota Medical School to undergo a background check. Only in the first year were any flags raised, and only for a handful of students. “They were for things that were a long time ago that they thought they had taken care of, and they appealed successfully,” said Helene Horwitz, associate dean for student affairs.

High profile incidents, like a 2004 murder-suicide by a University of Arkansas medical student, may have prompted some schools to get programs going. Horwitz said several attention grabbing events prompted the requirement in Minnesota. “From a pragmatic standpoint, our experience hasn’t indicated any great need, but from a public confidence perspective, there’s a strong argument for going ahead," she said.

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  • Background Checks
  • Posted by Kevin on August 14, 2007 at 10:45am EDT
  • How many times have the most heinous and violent and blood curdling offenses been committed by someone with "no prior record"? THOUSANDS OF TIMES! Just like the stock market....just like the weather....predictions don't guarantee anything. And is it fair to discriminate against someone with a record, especially a non-violent record, simply because they got caught and there is a 99 percent chance that their peers did the exact same things but DID NOT get caught? Police officers arrest people for DUI....but the same Police officers go to Christmas parties and barbecues....and drink lots of beer....and then DRIVE home after the party....and if a fellow cop pulls them over for erratic driving, the offending cop flashes his badge, and the arresting cop looks over his shoulder and whispers "okay, let me take you home"....whereas a civilian would be arrested and prosecuted! Perfect innocence? No, just cover up! Background checks are seriously flawed and need to be reconsidered....in the case of people with "no previous record" doing stupid things, background checks obviously don't ensure safety. Whereas someone with a previous record is probably more appreciative of the second chance and will be a better, more dedicated, and safer and more cautious employee. Let's help EX-offenders STAY EX....and not get frustrated and go back to crime!

  • Background checks
  • Posted by Bobby , Without a Country on September 15, 2007 at 11:20pm EDT
  • No such thing as forgiveness? Six years ago I had a hvy drinking problem and, I inappropriately touched an underage girl. Pretty stupid on part and wrong. Seeking help, I went to a counselor and told him what I had done; he then turned me into the police.
    Unfortunately for me, the law changed prior to July 1st a misdemeanor, to my arrest date 2 July to a felony. Additionally, by the statute alone it also put me into a violent sex offender category. I'm in this category with no evaluation or even the opportunity to present my dangerousness to the court.
    Prior to this, I had never been into any trouble and had a clean slate in life. I pled guilty to what I had done. However, the prosecution statement claimed I had admitted to them what I had done.
    I was upset with this because I never discussed a word with police or anyone due to my attorney’s advice. The prosecution can make up what they need for a stronger case. I received a sentence of 5 years in prison, all but 6 months suspended, 3 years of probation, sex offender treatment, alcohol treatment and polygraph exams every 4-6 months.
    Now I’m on the sex offender registry for life, and felon. Since then I earned a PhD with a 3.70 GPA and I can’t use it because I’m a felon and sex offender. I can’t find work, people in my neighborhood have threatened to kill me and yell out “sex offender” at me while I’m in my own yard. I have to register with the state police every time I change jobs, enroll in school, change my email address, change my address, sell or buy a car and the police come to my house and work to check on me. I can’t travel to another state without registering.
    Recently the law changed again six years later, even though my court appointed psychological experts testified in court that I am no danger to society, I’m on the violent sex offender registry now for life. No recourse to get off and they can change the law every year without any court action, evaluation or ability for me to present my case. So before you all get down on your past, at least you have a chance to go forward and be something. I have none.

  • Posted by Daniel Garcia on January 14, 2008 at 9:20am EST
  • I too have been convicted of a hand full of misdemeanor; two dui's, vanalism and trespassing. All of which have played a rolled in my current academic pursuit. Should we not be allowed to become community servers because of this? When we are convicted of crimes the states orders us to repay our debt to the community, but how can we if we are limited in what we are able to do. This is unfair at best, but that is a part of living in this unequl society. Don't be mad, just get even. When your filling out those applications make sure to mention that you are expecting not to get in because of your past mistakes and denial is only conformation that this country does not want all people to be productive and prevail, but rather they live in bondage and shambles.

  • WHY LIMTIT IT TO MEDICAL STUDENTS?
  • Posted by R. G. LACSAMANA, M.D. on July 3, 2005 at 5:47am EDT
  • I applaud the medical schools for requiring this background check on their students, but why limit it to medicine? Why not expand the concept to cover law, accounting, and other areas where students will interact directly with the public in the future?

    This background check may not necessarily assure us that these future professionals will behave and practice their professions according to the highest ethical standards, though it will winnow out from the start undesirable characters.

    From my perspective as a physician and as a citizen, doctors, lawyers and accountants - just to cite the most common examples - face various temptations and conflicts of interests that may be harmful to patients and clients. Which is why every state sets up disciplinary boards to deal with those straying off the beaten paths. It sometimes suprises the public to know that practitioners they trust are not as trustworthy as they have been led to believe, just judging from the roster of those who been disciplined, with a number of them having their licenses terminated.

    That brings us to the next question: Beyond a background check, is there something else colleges and universities can do to eliminate these "bad guys?" Unfortunately, the answer is NO. The best we can do is to emphasize ethics in the curriculum and to establish strict standards once these professionals become licensed to practice their respective trades.

    Beyond doubt, students admitted to medicine, law, and accounting have sterling academic credentials considering the strict requirements. Just as important, we need to make sure their character is molded right. I cannot think of any better combination.

  • Not as easy as you think
  • Posted by Larry on July 5, 2005 at 1:38pm EDT
  • Professional responsibility is taught in all (ABA-accredited) law schools. It is included in all bar exams, either directly or as part of the separate Mulistate Professional Responsibility Exam which is required in almost all 50 states. However, what is ethical or not ethical is sometimes difficult to determine in an adversarial setting, as charges of “unethical” are frequently lobbed as weapon of distraction or frustration. Indeed, many litigants swear that their opponents or judges were “unethical” when they really just disagreed.

    Further, the question of what is a “rule of ethics” and a substantive rule is often not fully developed. For example, while the 6th amendment requires counsel and all the protections that flow from a relationship with a lawyer, it is unclear whether a prosecutor’s obligations to respect that relationship are purely ethical or flow directly from the sixth amendment.

    Finally, one problem with limiting members of a profession to people that a board considers to be of “good character” is that, I think, it will tend to 1) limit creativity; and 2) further separate the masses from the lawyers that they are often forced to rely on.

    So, in an extreme case, if a lawyer is so ingrained into the culture he shares with the character and fitness board, he would could never even conceive of an argument on behalf of a client that is not of such “character” or “culture.” For example, most people on character and fitness boards do not, say, practice ritual slaughter of animals, but people who practice ritual slaughter of animals might need a lawyer some day and might need them to make a constitutional argument for them. If all lawyers think that ritual slaughter of animals is so outside the realm of acceptable activity as to never be protected by the law, they will never be able to argue that it is so.

  • Posted by david morris , Dr on July 5, 2005 at 2:10pm EDT
  • Is punishment forever? Is there ever forgiveness?

  • Response to new laws
  • Posted by Future Dr. , Things that make you go HMMMM on July 6, 2005 at 8:24am EDT
  • I bet you that the ones making this rule have a few flaws themselves. Are they put under a microscope too? I am sure when they where growing up they made there mistakes and then some. But, hey as far as I can recall we all have a little dirt. Not everybody is squeeky clean. So if we are going to eliminate furture medical students, then lets analyse the ones making these laws. We´ll see how far that law goes. You just might be surprised at the outcome. Good Luck to all Furture Medical Students!! And Future Parents rememeber to Lock up your kids and never let them enjoy there youth or for that matter ever learn from there mistakes. Especially you want or if they ever want to attend Any Medical School.

  • So?
  • Posted by Larry on July 6, 2005 at 9:05am EDT
  • Future Doc, Why does the character of people writing a statute matter ?

    In fact, since statutes are inevitably written by people who are elected by the general public, it is possible that some people with very bad histories may be legislators. Indeed, I am sure that a handful of people who vote did some very bad things. Indeed, I suspect that a few people who cast ballots are very bad at math and biology and couldn’t even make it into medical school.

    The question you are asking, I think, is what legitimizes the power of one body to pass judgment over individuals. This is a question which has been asked many times in the past (and in much more extreme cases), with no satisfactory answer. However, for our purposes we seem to confer legitimacy on any body which is somehow democratically selected (usually without regard to their character) and/or fits into a constitutional hierarchy which was chosen at some point in the past.

  • Posted by Dom Ventura on July 10, 2005 at 6:31am EDT
  • Dr. Lacsamana,

    I strongly agree with your point on expanding these background checks to other fields. By doing this we will reduce malpractice and improve the U.S. economy for the future.

    One thing I musk ask is that: By running all of these background checks, wouldn't we be decreasing the time for our govermnment to focus on other things? certainly you wouldnt want to be working in the state capitol and all of a sudden all of the medicals schools (and buisness colleges, etc...) requesting background checks

  • Posted by Stephanie on July 17, 2005 at 4:48am EDT
  • I am just starting my pre-med requirements. I am 24. When I was 17 I got caught shoplifting, and I got an MIP when I was 18. I went through an alcohol day treatment program when I was 19 and I have been on the up and up ever since. I wonder if my mistakes will cost me my plans for the future. I worry that my past will block me from doing what I want to do now. Is that fair? Especially, when you consider that alcoholism is a disease, how can you judge someone based on the mistakes they made when they were living in the negative. I hope that I am seen as a stronger applicant to medical school, because of the problems I overcame.

  • Posted by Michael on August 8, 2005 at 4:32am EDT
  • These ruthless background checks are ruining people and I'm one of them.

    I was JUST busted for a DUI a month ago. I hardly ever drink, but one night I did and a "friend" let me drive home. I was pulled over for speeding on the way home and the next thing I knew I was in jail. I've lost my liscence and my honor. I've had every person over 40 tell me that this is no big deal and that when they were my age .12 BAC was not even illegal. Their words began to easy my shame and self-loathing a bit, but once I started finding out about all these ludicrous background checks and realizing that we live in a society that applies laws haphazardly and never forgives my spirit has become completely crushed. I haven't slept in a month. I wake up in a sweat every thirty minutes and I've been so distraught that I'm considering suicide.

    In 20 days I'm supposed to be in law school. I know that I can still go, but I don't know if its even worth it now. I barely want to live in a society like this, let alone become part of the system.

    I've considered retooling for medical or dental school, but what's the point!? Another background check and I'm done with.

    I can understand felony background checks, but its now become that one mistake stops you dead in your tracks for life.

    Thanks a lot to the stoner 60s generation for all these draconian laws that are punishing their children.

  • new requirement for med students
  • Posted by alexis , medical student at sophie davis on August 10, 2005 at 4:22pm EDT
  • I agree with those who feel that these background checks for med/law schools aren't really fair. Should people be punished for crimes they may have committed when they were young, irresponsible, unfocused adults? There are many people who are able to change their lives around for the better. I feel that those who have had experiences with not only crimes, but other hardships as well are better able to understand and sympathize with their patients/clients. However, if a person has committed numerous or serious crimes, and they show no signs of changing their ways, then they are probably not the best candidates for med/law school. But there should always be some understanding when it comes to young adults who probably didn't understand the consequences that their actions might have later on in their lives.

  • new requirement for med students
  • Posted by Glenn Johnson on October 26, 2005 at 4:18pm EDT
  • The "good old boys" are up to their tricks again.

    We,as African-Americans,know that as long as the criminal justice system is staffed by racist cops,racist district attorneys, racist prosecuting attorneys and racist judges the chances that a young African-American male will have had some interface with the law-enforcement establishment is pretty high.

    Now comes the attempt to deny professional certification to African-Americans, who have historically suffered documented abuses because of racist policies formulated and executed by "white supremacists" who essentially control the American criminal justice system.

    It is not wise to allow these racists to now gain control over who can become a doctor, lawyer, etc.

    If an under-educated cop with racist intent becomes powerful enough to prevent a well-prepared African-American student from becoming a professional, by simply planting drugs or weapons on him, rest assured that he will do so. (Remember Mark Fuhrman of the O.J. Simpson case?)

    Criminal background checks for aspiring professionals is a bad idea.

  • Micheal
  • Posted by Marta on November 24, 2005 at 12:13pm EST
  • Response to Michael, at 4:32 am EDT on August 8, 2005 I’ve considered retooling for medical or dental school, but what’s the point!? Another background check and I’m done with.
    You're going to Law school; expunge, you as a U.S. citizen (I presume) are allowed to expunge one non felony charge from your record.

  • Posted by Doug on December 31, 2005 at 11:51am EST
  • What no one has mentioned is that for a prospective med student with a criminal background, he/she stands little to no chance of getting invited for an interview if they're honest on the application about their criminal history. So what's the other option, lie, and then to only get accepted to the school and later kicked out upon maticulation due to background check? I had this happen to myself earlier this year. If I was truthful from the start then I know I would never have been considered. This just sucks because when applying you're just another piece of info on paper, and when your merits are judged by the admissions committee, you can be sure that there's always another applicant with similar merits, only there's does not include a criminal history, so who do you think will be chosen?

  • Posted by Shelly on February 3, 2006 at 11:35pm EST
  • I am trying to start school but I have a felony conviction. I found out today from the school that even if you have that record sealed it will still count against me and I will not be able to go to school. I have already paid for my mistake. Why should i now be held back because of my past. Where is the forgiveness and fairness in that.

  • Posted by John Doe on May 24, 2006 at 4:05pm EDT
  • I am currently applying to med school and I have a felony conviction (for marijuana). The charge has been expunged and since the crime, I have committed myself to school, earning 2 bachelor degrees, Pharm masters acceptance, and 100 straight 4.0 hours. I have letters of recommendation coming out of my ears, but it may be all for naught. I am, hands-down, one of the top applicants in the country according to my MCAT, gpa, letters, etc..., but I may never be able to get the MD. Even if I get past the admissions process (can admissions committees see past an expungment as the licensing board can?), I face the licensing board. The situation is absurd; the loss is to my potential future patients who will lose a doctor sitting at the top of his class, in favor of one who sat lower in the class but had never made a mistake (or had never been caught).

  • Bastards
  • Posted by Josh Parker on July 28, 2006 at 5:45pm EDT
  • I am sick and tired and losing sleep over whether or not I ought to become a career criminal? I have a felony conviction for theft dating back to year 2000. I am still dealing with it. I am on the cusp of deciding whether or not I am going to go to college and turn my life around, however my fear is that I am going to get bent over the railing and screwed really hard. Why make it through school just to find out that I cannot gain employment due to mistakes in my "childhood". I see this process of discrimination against those with the scarlet letter who have gone through "rehab" and are deemed safe for the community
    to be kept down in such away. It seems that if you have every had a felony you are doomed
    to be a fucking dirt farmer or a burger flipper at McDonalds!!! Fuck that and Fuck this Great Country and its fucked up laws last but not least fuck class separation!!!

  • For Parker
  • Posted by Jon Applegate on August 2, 2006 at 6:35am EDT
  • I'd leave behind the rhetoric about "class seperation" and "discrimination" to your "childhood". The fact is you were a thief and you screwed someone over. That said you should definitely go to college. The alternative of "career criminal" doesn't bode well for you since you've
    already demonstrated your lack of apptitude with your prior conviction. By the time you graduate from a bachelor degree program there will be 10 years buffering you from
    your prior conviction. You should be eligible for an expungement and this should allow you to pursue many midlevel jobs that don't require bonding.California has
    a 7 year rule that doesn't let background check agencies report convictions older than that though there are exceptions for licensed professions and an income ceiling.
    Unless your entire reason for living is predicated on being in law enforcement or the military I suggest you do not give up hope. Certainly it will be hard and
    will have to jump through loops along the way,but you can definitely build a good life for yourself.At least you don't have a drug conviction that would make you ineligible for federal financial aid. Personally I think this is "great country" though it has many faults and areas for improvement, particulary in offering rehabilation to criminals. In some countries
    after your crime you'd be wondering what happened to one or maybe both of your hands.You wouldn't have a chance
    to go college; you would be an handless beggar. Self-pity and letting the natural frustration you feel overwhelm you is
    more of an impediment to your sucess than your conviction. I had a multiple count felony conviction when I was 18. Yes
    I did spend years in a series of mind numbing, low paying jobs. Eventually I worked my way up in one company and moved to an okay paying job. Most recently I went to a community college and did well,
    and I've been accepted as a transfer student to two top 20 nationally ranked universities, one offering a substantial academic scholarship. Please build a life for yourself. Stay out of trouble and
    go back to school.

  • Is it a waste of time?
  • Posted by Shawn on August 17, 2006 at 4:40am EDT
  • I have just completed my second year of prehealth studies at a state university. I too have a felony conviction of theft in my background. It happened over 15 years ago when I was 17 and has haunted me ever since. It is a constant source of worry for me that no matter how hard I study and how attractive my med school application will be, the only real mistake that I have ever made will hamper any attempts to enter med school. Unfortunately, my state does not allow for expungement but will "set aside" the judgement. Of course nothing really changes on your file and you still have to include the conviction on any and all applications. What possibly could be done to change the inevitable outcome to my circumstances?

  • Limit background check
  • Posted by Michael Y on September 17, 2006 at 4:40am EDT
  • I'm in the same boat, retail grand theft conviction in 1999 plus one misdemeanor retail theft the year before that (both non-violent crimes). I learned my lesson. Since then, graduated cum laude with an engineering degree. Couldn't get employed because of the felony conviction so I returned to school. I am about to complete a master’s degree along with prerequisite for medical school with an outstanding performance in grades (3.9) and letters of recommendation. Look like I won't be attending med. school though. It is a too bad for me and perhaps for society as well because of what politicians like to say “youthful indiscretions”. I'm giving it my all to redeem myself but eventually something has got to give. Ironic how at times it seams that the only thing available to me is to perpetrate crimes against society. What are my choices if I can not get employed? It is discouraging-two crimes 7 years ago and an exemplary citizenship ever since but ever since isn’t considered. A life of crime is always available to me but I really don't want to resort to this. Jail is not a fun place. Unfortunately, I may not have a choice. I am intelligent, strong, and I know human nature. I believe I can be successful as a criminal, at least for a while and perhaps long enough to secure a retirement. Its too bad that I may be hurting people instead of helping then. Nothing personal but I got to live too. I have to feed myself, pay bills, student loans, gas, rent, car, you name it, etc....... Anyhow, I'm not giving up on life that’s for sure. Life is great, especially in these united states of ours. I know I can do anything I want and if a medical school says no to me then a life of crime it will most likely be. I do believe background checks serve a good purpose but to exclude a student may constitute a form of discrimination. I'm thinking that the nation should adopt laws similar to the law in California where the limit to report convictions is 7 years for non-violent crimes. This at least give an individual hope for a future. I'd say that if someone has kept on the right track for seven years and has merit enough to be a candidate for medical school, this person should be allow to continue. Otherwise society will foster a future criminal whose incarceration will be tens of thousands each year (lets not forget the lives that are likely to be affected). The alternative would likely result with this same individual paying tens of thousand in taxes and contribute in other immeasurable ways to the same society who would otherwise have him/her incarcerated. One last point, currently licensed MD’s have committed and even been convicted of worse crimes than I have and they get a slap on the wrist. This happens a lot (hundreds of times per year on average) in every state, just check out your local sate medical disciplinary board online and see for yourself. Isn’t this hypocrisy? No body said life was fair, in fact, I've often heard "life isn't fair". Medical school would be great but if it doesn't happen, that’s ok too. I do not need an M.D after my name, a large salary, prestige or bragging rights to feel I am somebody. I already know I am and I know I am going to make something of myself. What I do need is to be employed in a meaningful way. That is, I am a top performer and I demand excellence from myself so I’m not going to accept a token job. The question is what is available to me within in the law? How will this society of ours allow me to continue? Will I be a tax paying citizen and contribute to society in a meaningful way or is a life of crime in my future? Time will tell.

  • United States: Not the land of forgiveness
  • Posted by Will at Gatech on November 13, 2006 at 9:20am EST
  • I am a pre-med Junior at one of the best schools in America. I got 3.9 gpa, volunteer every week at the hospital, have numerous leadership positions, and involved in plenty of other 'good' things society believes in. I got a DUI about a week ago and a leaving the scene charge. My freshman year I got a MUI, public intoxication, criminal trespassing, disruptive behavior, and fleeing from the scene charge and when I went to court got all but the MUI dropped with a plea bargain and got a conditional discharge on the MUI. Every single one of my charges are misdeamors. I agree with everyone saying that why does anything in our past have to do with us becoming doctors. Yet there is another side of me thinking would I want some theif or some alcoholic have my life in their hands. This is the thing we will all have to answer if we get an interview. Why lie on admissions? Med schools say they are looking for a wide variety of students not the typical book worm. In my intermediate family 4 of 5 of them are alcoholics. I grew up thinking it was normal to drink. I am not trying to blame my parents but how in the hell are people going to say what I have done in my past is so morally wrong that I should not have the same oppurtunity as some kid whose parents never drank around them or never took a sip of beer himself.

    This has led me to the following conclusion. What I am going to try to do since I am taking the MCAT this spring and applying to Med. school this summer is delay my DUI case until I have applied and been interviewed. Hopefully I will not have to report nor will the background check pick up the DUI charge because I have not been convicted yet.

    If this doesn't work, one of my buddies is in the same boat as I am and we both agree that if it comes down to going to med school or leaving the fucking US we are leaving this god forsaken country and never looking back. It will be the US societies lost. This is a huge reason why Americans are not producing any science majors or graduate students. Who care if a good student smokes but occasionaly and gets caught and wants to be a professional dentist? Who cares if a decent student gets a DUI and wants to try to go to Med school.

    My other plan is like everyone elses. Fuck it become a pro-criminal. I know I can out smart every one of the cops out there. No wonder America has some of the most brilliant criminals!!! I probably really wont go this route because I believe I suppose to help man kind some how but when your society gives you no other choices what are you suppose to do?

    On another note, African Americans have it so much easier than white Americans. In my opinion Afirmative Action is the biggest bull crap this country of the 'equal oppurtunity' has ever came up with and still yall complain.

  • Posted by Ryan on November 20, 2006 at 4:25am EST
  • I am so goddamn discouraged that I live in a country where there is no forgiveness. I have multiple felonies in my background due to addiction. I have been to rehab and have stayed out of trouble. I have a 3.8 GPA as an undergraduate. I just started filling out my application for grad school (non-medical) and on the second fucking page of the application it asks if I have ever been convicted. My heart sank and I have been freaking out ever since. What the hell am I supposed to do... lie and hope they dont find out and risk expulsion or tell the truth and not get in?! Once your in the system you can't get out no matter how hard you try... which is why there is such a high rate of recidivism among criminals. More than likely, I am going to be added to this statistic because this is what the system has offered me. It seems like I have two choices: make minimum wage for the rest of my life or resort to a life of crime. I'll opt for the latter. Fuck this bullshit "justice" system.

  • Posted by MS-1 at UCHSC on December 7, 2006 at 11:05pm EST
  • All of you pre-meds with misdemeanors really shouldn't worry about admissions if you are a good academic candidate. I know a few students in my class with misdemeanors. One word of advice though, DO NOT try to lie about your convictions, even if you've had your record "sealed", it doesn't matter, they will find out, don't ask me how. I guarantee you will find yourself sitting face to face with the Dean explaining why you concealed your record.

    I never had any legal convictions myself, but I was required to report an conduct violation I received through my undergraduate university involving marijuana. I don't feel as though it influenced my application (though I did lose some sleep over it). Looking back, I now think of it as a positive opportunity I had to talk about my maturity then versus now.

    As far as felonys go, I doubt an isolated DUI (or pot bust) will reverse your fate. Again, as hard as it may sound, try to deliver your explaination in a positive manner.

    Finally, I agree that sex offenders, violent felons and most other repeat felons shouldn't expect a seat in this privileged profession considering how many applicants out there managed to resist these crimes. Despite what you may believe, medicine will get along fine without you.

  • ex-con seeking to become a doctor
  • Posted by bobby j , bobby j on December 20, 2006 at 4:40am EST
  • I am currently a pre-med student with exceptional grades and have many letters of recommendations. I'm going to be applying to medical schools soon and have a problem. About five years ago I got caught up in the party scene with my fraternity brothers and started using cocaine. I started using the drug so frequently that I became an addict. In order to support my habit I started selling the drug to my friends on campus. To make a long story short, I ended up getting caught. My charge wasn't for selling, but for possession with the intent to distribute, which is a felony. I ended up serving 2 years in a state prison and was released early due to good behavior. This is the only charge that I have on my record, and of course, it is a very serious one. Is there anyone out there who has any kind of advice for me? Will this prevent me from becoming a doctor or will med schools/state licensing boards want to hear me out? Explain to them what I learned from the incident; what I did to correct myself (rehab); how long i've been drug and alcohol free; and how long it's been since I have stayed out of trouble. etc; etc. Am I wasting my time??????????

  • Posted by Paul T. , Busted day after med school interview on March 27, 2007 at 4:25am EDT
  • I'm assuming that it won't look good if you get busted for pot the day after you're medical school interview. I screwed up so badly that it's suicidally funny. Heh, I wonder how long I have to wait for this crime to be looked at as youthful foolishness. I had all the other requisites: top 10% MCAT scores, GPA, volunteering, letters of recommendation. Pissed away for a misdeamnor. Now I hear that they're going to count a pot conviction as a history of drug abuse which can prevent one from getting a medical license in Indiana. A doctor with a drug habit who'd a thunk it!

  • Trying to become a nurse but have hit a road block.
  • Posted by Leslie G. on April 13, 2007 at 5:26am EDT
  • WOW! I thought I was the only one experiencing this problem. We should all get together and challenge such laws. Anyways, I am trying to become a nurse and like most of the others I have a 3.9 GPA. I am on my last pre req and am ready to apply to different programs but was informed by my advisor 4 days ago that I will not be able to pursue this career. I have a felony conviction for drugs. I recieved this conviction 12 years ago, have done community service (in a hospital), had it expundged, and not gotten in any trouble since but this is not good enough. Pretty much, I feel that society is saying that we will never be good enough. We could turn dirt to gold and it wouldnt matter. It's funny because my original plan was to get my degree as a PA but I guess that is totally out of the question. I can see why people with records are a risk; however, the time that has lapsed and what one has done with their life since should be considered. I was 18 when I commited this crime and coming from a bad home clouded my judgement. I have learned from my mistake and have taken every step to show that I have matured since but am made to feel as less than a human being every time because of the stigma my conviction.

  • crimes against the student.
  • Posted by jo on June 14, 2007 at 5:10am EDT
  • Thus far only 18 of 83 medical schools polled perform background checks of any kind. As far as state medical boards are concerned; full disclosure is the key. Frankly more physicians are charged with possession of a controlled substance than any other professional group surveyed. A single arrest or even conviction for marijauna possession is unlikely to serve as an indicator of "poor moral character". Some states will approve a license application even for those convicted of a felony. The crimes that are a 'no-go' would include; elder/child abuse, violent crimes of any type, habitual drug offenses, and sex crimes.
    The best thing to do is be completely honest about any transgressions. While it is true that medical schools would likely select a candidate with 'no criminal history' over a candidate of equal worth that has a criminal history, do not give up. All of us make mistakes. A person of character will admit the mistake and learn from it. So just remember the policy about honesty and you will do fine.