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September 10, 2009

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On Sunday talk shows of late, Robert Reich has been a vocal advocate of expanding access to health care for all Americans. It is perhaps fitting then that Reich, the former U.S. Labor Secretary turned public policy professor, has been advocating access of a different kind at the University of California at Berkeley.

Reich is one of Berkeley’s more widely known faculty members, and his “Wealth and Poverty” course quickly fills to capacity – and that’s a problem in California where capacity is rapidly shrinking. Indeed, as the Goldman School of Public Policy analyzed its budget this year, officials surmised that enrollment in Reich’s large lecture class would need to be reduced by 140 students -- or about 32 percent -- this spring.

“He said 'I’d really hate to do that; I don’t want to close people out,' ” recalls Henry Brady, the school’s dean.

Given budgetary constraints, the school was only going to be able to provide six teaching assistants for Reich’s class. When Reich previously taught a class of 440 students, he needed nine TA’s to help grade papers and run weekly break-out discussions of 25 students each. With just six TA’s, there would only be enough support to enroll 300 students, Brady said.

Call it third way politics if you like, but Reich, the former Clinton Cabinet member, suggested another option no one else had previously considered. What if the school could offer two different options for students, giving them some access to the popular class while still reducing the need for TA’s? In one class, worth four units, students would have the traditional lectures with Reich and break-out discussion groups with TA’s. In a second class, worth only two units, students would attend the Reich lectures without the additional break-out sessions or the same level of coursework. Students in the lecture-only class will still receive exams, which will be graded by less expensive readers, but they won't write essays graded by TA's.

Reich concedes the option is "not ideal," but says "I wouldn't be offering it to students lecture-only if I didn't think they would get a lot out of it. And it seems to me we've hit on a reasonable compromise."

Brady agrees.

“I think it’s a model for making sure we still give students access to lecturers like Bob Reich without breaking the bank,” he said.

Brady anticipates the newly offered courses will produce a net savings of $15,000 to $17,000. Those savings are in part attributable to a decision by the College of Letters and Science to fund a seventh TA for the course. The college will now list “Wealth and Poverty” as one of its “Discovery Courses,” which are used to help students fulfill seven breadth requirements needed for graduation. The breadth requirements are designed to give students exposure to broad disciplines.

While Reich’s proposal may expand access to the lectures, there will now be 175 students in his class without access to the small group discussions that have been considered vital to the large lecture format. The lower credit option may appeal to some students, but Brady concedes it was a stopgap measure to address a difficult situation.

“We’ve got terrible problems,” he said, “but we’re trying to find creative ways to solve them and meet the students’ needs.”

Even though some students will be in lecture-only classes, Reich says he's tried to keep students engaged even when they number well into the hundreds.

"It's never a lecture," he said. "I wonder around the aisles, I talk to students. We do not only Socratic dialogues but also various scenarios, and I try also not to make it a static lecture."

Reich also closes each two-hour session with something he calls "the salon," where students can opt to hang around for an additional 30 minutes for a smaller group discussion. In a class that typically enrolls about 425, Reich says about 30 or 40 stay for the salon.

Reich's course, "Wealth and Poverty," is an examination of the widening gap of income inequality and wealth in the United States and elsewhere. The course blends a variety of disciplines, including sociology, economics, ethics, political science and social psychology. In short, it offers something for just about everyone. But one wonders if Reich's own celebrity drives the numbers as well.

"I've done it for a number of years and the course keeps growing dramatically," he said. "I would prefer to think that the reason it's growing is not name recognition, because I had the same name recognition at the start."

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Comments on Economics Lesson for Higher Ed

  • Who is stealing the money?
  • Posted by Charles Schwartz , Prof. Emeritus of Physics at UC Berkeley on September 10, 2009 at 6:45am EDT
  • Fewer TA's because of the chop in state funding? What about the huge level of income that the university has from undergraduate student fees. If TA's are the front line in handling undergraduate classes, then that should be a top priority for where the administrators put that student fee money. Something is very wrong with the financial management of this (and not only this) campus.

    Is there any accountability here?

  • Posted by jim on September 10, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • This guy (Reich) seems to be a model for excellence in teaching. I guess being an adjunct and having held a "day job" (U.S. Labor Secretary) for many years gives him the freedom to think of alternatives that escaped the entire rest of the university.
    Good for him!!!

  • Reich's cheap class
  • Posted by formerccpres at Kansas State University on September 10, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • Or, you might cut Bob's salary by $17,000 and let him make up the difference by writing a piece for Parade Magazine on "How to save money with fewer violins." (Oops, it has already been written.) I love Bob Reich, but really....

  • Posted by Econedinstructor on September 10, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • It will be interesting to see if there are measurable differences in learning outcomes from these two approaches. If there are not, what will be the implications for the more expensive option in the future?

  • Posted by Dave on September 10, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • I often find myself wondering about the isles while working too.

  • Another solution for engaging students
  • Posted by Barbara Eklund , Asst. Dean, Watson School of Public Service/Continuing Studies at Thomas Edison State College on September 10, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Another way that all the students could continue to participate in the discussion would be to include them all in an online learning community as part of the class. Lectures and the discussion questions used by the TAs could be posted and everyone would have the opportunity to participate. Maybe assign one TA to monitor the online discussion and have the professor comment from time to time as well. The solution is in the technology.

  • Peer-to-Peer Learning Outcomes
  • Posted by JoAnn Rolle , Senior Vice President for Academic & Student Affairs at LIM College on September 10, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • If we really believe that students learn from each other, then this approach fails to engage peers in the learning process.

  • But where's the efficiency?
  • Posted by Prof Challenger on September 10, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • Let me see if I follow: Rather than teach 440 students a 4-unit course, Reich is going to teach, say, 220 students a 4-unit course and 220 students a 2-unit course. What he's done is reduce the number of FTES served while maintaining the headcount. This results in "savings" in that less money is spent on TAs, but (1) it also reduces the amount of money allocated the course from the state and from student fees (both of which are based on FTES). And it does nothing to reduce the cost per FTES.

     

    That's not to say it's not a good idea -- he's providing a "lite" option for students, and this allows more seats to be available to hear Prof Reich's lectures. But if this is an "economics lesson," it doesn't teach much about cost savings.

  • Technology still needs staffing
  • Posted by Julie Hofmann , Associate Professor of History at Shenandoah University on September 10, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Dean Eklund's suggestion isn't much help, as I see it. For good online discussion to work, it needs to be part of the assessment process. Whether managing an online discussion or a f2f discussion section with writing, someone has to do the work. Studies have shown that 14-15 students is the maximum number of students for effective online discussion, so were talking about approximately 10 online sections, or at least separate group fora, to cover 150 students. Even if these students are not writing papers, monitoring and guiding discussions over a week can take substantial time. So say, instead of a TA teaching two sections with papers, zie teaches 3-4 online sections. That's still three more TAs than it would take to cover no sections!

  • Okay, I don't want to do any such 'work,'
  • Posted by DFS on September 10, 2009 at 1:00pm EDT
  • as long as I have to decipher such crap as "f2f."

    Can we, in college just insist on something, perhaps like the miles-long essay known previously as "face to face?"

    Please!

  • Brilliant idea?
  • Posted by richard on September 10, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • I'm sorry, but how exactly is this new? Plenty of courses are variable credit, with the additional credit coming from a discussion section. Personally, I like the idea that he fund the missing TA positions out of his Wall Street earnings--a couple of Goldman Sachs Endowed Teaching Assistants are just the ticket.

  • Is there a lesson here for health care?
  • Posted by Jim Sprow , Associate Professor, Business at Corban College on September 10, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • As a proponent for government-funded health care, Professor Reich is experiencing what will happen when certain "free" medical procedures are "over-subscribed." The result will be rationing, limiting access, or "medical care lite". Anyone who studies or teaches economics should be very familiar with the predictable outcomes when government usurps the free market to provide goods and services below their marginal cost to the "under-served." We can expect lines, waiting periods, rationing, and eventually, lower quality care. Unlike his lectures, medical care cannot be characterized as a public good. The more that we provide to one person, the less we can provide to another without increasing costs.

  • Posted by Dan on September 10, 2009 at 5:45pm EDT
  • Regardless of the number of TA's, am I the only one concerned that budget shortfalls seem to be the only motivation to trim a class of 440 students? Without the breakout sections, sitting in the last row of that lecture hall can't be much different than watching a webcast of it.

  • an alternative solution
  • Posted by Charles Muscatine , Prof. of Englishemeritus at U. of Calif. Berkeley on September 10, 2009 at 9:15pm EDT
  • Any students who were CONCURRENTLY enrolled in small classes (seminars) which taught writing, with intensive tutoring and discussion, would hardly be in need of the possibly inferior writing and discussion instruction sections provided by TAs. The lecture could be as big as possible, delivered online, and graded very simply by a small staff.