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January 26, 2010

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WASHINGTON -- A team of negotiators representing all sectors of higher education on Monday forcefully opposed a U.S. Department of Education proposal to determine whether vocational programs prepare their students for “gainful employment” by establishing a maximum ratio between recent graduates’ debt repayment loads and their annual salaries.

On the same day that the Obama administration announced its plan to restrict borrowers' maximum annual student loan repayments to 10 percent of a graduate’s discretionary income, panelists representing colleges, administrators and students began a third round of negotiated rule making aimed at preventing abuses in federal financial aid programs by taking up the issue most closely related to the White House’s proposal.

Picking up where they left off at the end of round two, in early December, many panelists continued to question the department’s statutory authority to enact what some saw as “price controls.” They also voiced new concerns about the feasibility and hastiness of the department’s draft regulatory language.

In the draft, released to negotiators on Jan. 15, the department stepped back from its suggestion to link programs' tuitions with the salaries of their graduates, instead choosing to develop a potentially less-explosive rule centered on debt and salary. As proposed, the rule would require that the annual debt repayment load for recent graduates of vocational programs and most for-profit offerings be no more than 8 percent of the salary of a recent graduate working in the field for which a program had prepared a student.

Though Fred Sellers, a senior policy analyst in the Office of Postsecondary Education, insisted Monday that it was not the department’s intention to create price controls, Elaine Neely, senior vice president of regulatory affairs for Kaplan Higher Education, said she wasn’t convinced.

The primary representative of for-profit institutions and a vocal opponent of the department’s ideas on this issue in the first two rounds, Neely was quick to express disappointment with the proposed regulation. “I know it comes as no surprise to you that I won’t be thanking the department for issuing the draft language,” she said.

The Obama administration’s budget proposal would cap annual student loan repayments at 10 percent of disposable income -- likely a far smaller dollar amount than 8 percent of a graduate’s overall net income – and Neely, for one, said she thought the issue ought be left to the president and Congress. “President Obama has the good sense to maybe send a message to the department that it’s a legislative issue, not a regulatory issue, and that he proposes a law to do this, not a regulation.”

Other panelists not only wondered about the department’s authority, but also listed plenty of other “unintended consequences” as they argued for the proposal to be scrapped. The department promised revised language, or a decision to hold off on a gainful employment plan, before the end of this week's negotiations.

The primary representative of college presidents, Terry W. Hartle, senior vice president for government and public affairs at the American Council on Education, said the proposal was “not a small change in federal student aid policy” and could result in “a cure worse than the disease.”

Hartle and other negotiators voiced concerns about the new costs that colleges would face in collecting data and determining whether their programs were compliant under the general rule and, if not, under one of the proposed exemptions. “This would be enormously labor-intensive,” he said. “That changes the cost structure of the institutions.”

The primary representative of nonprofit, four-year institutions, Todd Jones, of the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Ohio, said he saw the potential for a decade’s worth of litigation against the department.

“A number of good firms in this town make a good deal of money going through the process of administering proceedings to protect colleges, no matter their shape, when the department has taken a position and they disagree,” he said. “I can’t think of the number of lawyers who are going to get to do very interesting legal work around teasing out whether they’ve met some of the standards here, the economists that are going to get hired.”

Joan Zanders, of Northern Virginia Community College, said she worried there would be a disincentive for institutions to enroll new students who already have student loan debt and choose to go back to school to become employable. “Are we then going to impede them from entering those programs where they might actually get a job because they have existing debt and those programs could be at risk if we allow them into it?”

The proposal, Hartle said, amounted to “social engineering,” something to which he said he was not inherently opposed. (He noted that he advised Sen. Edward M. Kennedy on education policy, to laughs from panelists and gathered observers.)

“But I don’t think this is very well-designed social engineering. It is a big change and even if you have the legislative authority to do this you should not be doing this through the regulatory process in a proposal that has just emerged with a very brief time for people to analyze it and try to get it right.”

Along the same lines that were drawn early on in the rule making process, the strongest support for the department’s proposal came from the representative of consumer advocates, Margaret Reiter, a former California deputy attorney general, and Rich Williams, the U.S. Public Interest Research Group’s higher education associate, who represents students on the panel.

Reiter acknowledged the possibility for loopholes and unintended consequences but said neither “is the kind of thing that should stop us from moving forward” in regulating a definition of gainful employment for vocational programs. “This is the crux we’ve got to deal with.”

Williams echoed Reiter’s resolve to come out of this week’s negotiations with regulations to keep debt levels down. “We need to leave this table with something to help students…. Right now the burden is on students and we need to alleviate that.”

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Comments on Resistance on Debt Proposal

  • Subsidizing the for-Profit University
  • Posted by S. Gordon on January 26, 2010 at 9:15am EST
  • An interesting article that I am still mulling over. However,the for-profit sector is already benefitting from high priced education that allows them to target the lowest income students to gain access to Pell Grant funds which cover maybe 25-50% of tuition. Leaving these students with the choice to take on massive debt to cover the remaining costs. As with all things in government, the for-profit sector has figured out a way to benefit from a government program never intended to make stock holders rich, but to provide access to education. These schools exist because they are filling a much needed vacuum within higher education that is not held to exceptionally traditionally methods of delivery or to a institutions that lack a student-centered orientation. The radical thing to do here would be take this model of education and create a massive non-profit consortium that delivered low cost quality education without a "profit" incentive. To reinvest in creating a cheaper, higher quality, more distributed version of higher education that is affordable to the masses. Other countries create Open Universities. We create the UOP.

  • Institutional and Student Effort
  • Posted by Carlo Salerno on January 26, 2010 at 10:30am EST
  • A key question is whether graduates' innate characteristics or their academic credentials is more likely to drive their labor market success. To what extent do interviewing skills, ambition, work ethic, social interaction skills and one's cultivated professional network affect a person's ability to secure a well-paid job or put them on a track to rapid advancement? My hunch is a great deal.
    Sure, a university degree is a critical labor market signal of capability and a necessary condition to placement/advancement in most fields but I think nearly everyone would agree that it's simply one ingredient in the career success "cake."
    I've not closely followed the discussion on this matter but, on its face, a ratio rule like this assigns an uncomfortably large amount of responsibility to institutions for a graduate's success.

  • Governance Structure is the Point
  • Posted by Trace Urdan on January 26, 2010 at 10:30am EST
  • I'm sympathetic to S. Gordon's conundrum here, but we already have not-for-profit institutions focused on low cost education for under-served populations -- it's called the community college system.

    In reality it's the governance structure of for-profit institutions that actually makes them effective. Truth is that the amount spent "in the classroom" is identical in this sector to that spent by not-for-profit institutions. The "profits" come from the selective offering of high demand programs (i.e. no subsidized programs,) standardization, and from less administrative waste. And just for the record, for profit schools are not being "subsidized." Please remember that the for-profit schools pay corporate taxes that more than offset loan losses, and that the amount of "wasted" tax dollars spent on students that drop out is far greater among community colleges.

    The answer on gainful employment has to be more disclosure. Use the regulations to insist that students are crystal clear on the specific outcomes for their program, the employment stats for their program, the full cost of their program and the exact debt service for their program and then let the students make the choice. Anyone who has ever actually met a student at a for-profit school knows perfectly well that they are absolutely clear on the concept of cost benefit. I have yet to meet a student at a technical college that is anyone's fool.

    Some of the students will still make poor choices, but then so do students attending not-for-profit schools. When was the last time you heard about a for-profit student getting alcohol poisoning at a frat party?

  • Governance Structure - with teeth
  • Posted by P. Peterson on January 26, 2010 at 11:30am EST
  • I agree with Urdan's point that this should be handled as a governance issue, but would like to point out that many vocational/technical type programs already have program level accreditation with standards that speak to program outcomes such as: retention rates, graduation rates, employment success, and graduate satisfaction.

    The problem is that the programs are quick to point out that collecting these stats is just too hard to do, so you get one or two responses per year out of a graduating class of 40. Unless the outcomes monitoring (and publishing so that students can read it) has teeth that require compliance or else - it will just be more of the same - excuses why outcome tracking doesn't occur.

  • Tell Students the Truth About Size of Payments!
  • Posted by Lynn Davis on January 26, 2010 at 11:30am EST
  • The proposed regulation only covers Federal loans, not the more massive private loans.

    Schools and Lenders should be REQUIRED to tell EVERY student the percent of the average income from their intended occupation will be necessary to cover loan repayments, and over what time - for ALL student loans, not just the federal ones.

    Only then can students have any hope of making an informed decision about their debt.

    Congress has given student loan providers the privilege of having their loans non-dischargeable in bankruptcy. In exchange, it should insist that students have the right to understand the percent of their likely income they will have to give up for a decade or more to repay those loans!

  • Lets get it over with
  • Posted by Sarcasm Intended , Skepticism at Florida on January 26, 2010 at 11:45am EST
  • Lets just get this trend over with and accept that all education is purely about getting students better paying jobs. We can extend these rule to all universities: public, private and for-profit and watch all the humanities, arts, social sciences and other non professional schools quickly disappear because they are not exclusively targeted at earning their students the highest possible salaries.

  • Time to make U accountable
  • Posted by WI Will , In debt forever on January 26, 2010 at 12:30pm EST
  • The lack of fair bankruptcy protections for students who obtain student loans, unjustly and unfairly pushes all of the risk of obtaining an education on students. Often schools will promote the potential of a degree but will do so from a general population prospective, when in fact they know the work market does not value a degree from that institution on form that industry in general. They school knows that most or many of its graduates will find themselfs with a low chance of real success and ability to service the debt they need to take on. When the jobs are not there, and they fail, they must absorb all of the risk and carry that debt to their graves in many cases.

    It is time to put an end to programs that encourage students to enter the door, provide them useless or near useless paper, but collect all of the pell grant money and student loan money with no real risk. Clearly the lobbist simply want to keep the cash trian flowing, and leave the risk to middle class and lower middle class citizens when then know for many the debt is going to be a harsh burden for decades, and some it is going to permanently destroy their lives.

    I ask you how hard is it for Universities to partner up with private industry and make sure that they have an effective pipeline to jobs that will enable reasonable service of the student debt? Without a penalty, a risk for them to deal with, I do not see Universities willing to jump in and do it, do you?

  • Severe Problems with ED's Proposal
  • Posted by Daniel L. Bennett at The Center for College Affordability and Productivity on January 26, 2010 at 2:30pm EST
  • Aside from the unintended consequences that have already been mentioned, there are a number of problems with the ED's proposal. Here are a few that I pointed out in a CCAP blog last week:

    Using wage data ignores other forms of compensation such as health care insurance, retirement benefits, vacation time and other fringe benefits. These are all part of the total compensation paid by employers to employees. Not including these benefits in any type of debt-to-income calculation is ignoring a significant portion of an employee's compensation.

    Simply using the bottom 25% of earners in a field ignores the actual experience of individuals in that field and instead relies on a group of people that may change as individuals move up the pay scale. In other words, the bottom 25% of earners may always contain the entry level workers who may very well move up to the 50% of earners in a few years as they gain experience in a given field. To be effective, the income portion of the ratio would need to account for the net present value of expected earnings over a 10 year period by tracking the earning of individuals in a given vocation over the first 10 years of their career, as group statistics are misleading.

    Setting loan limits on the basis of national wage statistics would undermine local market conditions which may vary a great deal. Compensation for some occupations may vary considerably by region, due to either differences in cost of living or labor supply and demand variations.

    Such a mechanism would also need constant monitoring as market conditions change frequently. Compensation of various professions rarely stay in equilibrium for very long as labor supply and demand conditions, as well as other factors (inflation, technological, regulatory, etc), change continuously in a manner that affects compensation. A once a year snapshot of wage levels would not be just for a labor market that changes so often and varies so widely.

    http://collegeaffordability.blogspot.com/2010/01/problems-with-linking-student-loans-to.html