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January 29, 2010

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Syracuse University may be on the cutting edge of promoting equity for its gay and lesbian employees. Some of the university's straight employees, however, say Syracuse needs to focus its limited funds on benefits for everyone -- and recognize that it can't be held responsible for the inequity of marriage laws in the United States.

The battle is over "grossing up" -- a human resources term for paying someone on top of salary levels so that the employee takes home the full salary amount. So if someone would owe $10,000 on a $50,000 salary, grossing up would mean paying that person $60,000 (plus whatever tax is needed on the extra $10,000 and so forth) so that $50,000 becomes take-home pay.

Syracuse plans to pay $1,000 each to its gay and lesbian employees who use the university's domestic partner program to provide health insurance for their partners. While health insurance benefits for employees and their spouses and children are not taxable under federal law, health insurance that an employee receives for a partner who is not a spouse recognized under state law is taxable. So even though Syracuse has tried to be equitable by offering partner benefits, the university's gay employees have pointed out that they were not really being treated the same way as married opposite-sex couples.

Syracuse isn't even fully grossing up, because $1,000 will probably not cover the extra tax that some employees pay. But the proposed benefit -- even though the money involved is likely equivalent to a rounding error in the university's $113 million benefits budget -- has become controversial as Syracuse considers a range of changes in the benefits packages that it offers employees. The "sustainable benefits" campaign is designed, Syracuse says, to save money while providing more choices and becoming more equitable. Over all, the changes -- such as reducing the match to retirement accounts -- are expected to save about $7 million annually, but more than half of those savings will be used to provide new or improved benefits. The money for gay employees has been the subject of much discussion among faculty members and at a forum on the planned changes.

If Syracuse goes ahead with its plans, it may be the first college to offer such a benefit. The College and University Professional Association for Human Resources could not identify any colleges with this benefit. The Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization that encourages grossing up policies for partner benefits, has identified only three businesses and one family foundation with such policies. An HRC official said that he has talked with several colleges interested in starting such policies, but that he did not know of any that have done so. Nancy Cantor, the chancellor at Syracuse, has spoken repeatedly about her commitment to providing equitable benefits and to having the university be seen as a leader in promoting diversity.

Pat Cihon, an associate professor of law and public policy and president of the Syracuse chapter of the American Association of University Professors, has spoken out against the new benefit. Cihon said that he applauds the chancellor's commitment to inclusiveness and agrees that current marriage and tax law discriminate against gay people. He also said that he supports offering domestic partner benefits and believes that most of his colleagues share that belief. But he said that the problem that needs addressing is the law, not the university's benefits. "We really ought to be lobbying to change the tax laws," he said.

What troubles him, he said, is that the planned $1,000 payments are effectively only available to one class of people -- gay employees with partners on benefits -- and could never be available to employees married to or in domestic partnerships with people of the opposite sex.

"I appreciate and understand the rationale and intent, but now the employer is treating different people differently, and they are giving additional compensation to some groups because of sexual orientation," said Cihon. He added that he believes the provision may violate New York State's human rights statute, which bars sexual orientation discrimination in employment. "This would clearly be discrimination," he said.

Cihon said that while he and others would have philosophical issues with the proposal regardless of its overall context, it was relevant that it is part of a plan that, in total, will result in many people seeing a reduction in benefits. "They are taking money out of my retirement," he said.

Brenda J. Wrigley, associate professor of public relations at Syracuse, doesn't buy the discrimination argument. Wrigley's partner works in a part-time job for which she does not receive health insurance, so she is on Wrigley's plan as a domestic partner -- and Wrigley is taxed as a result. She said that the extra tax easily exceeds $1,000 a year.

"What's happening right now is discriminatory" in that her straight married colleagues cover their spouses without paying tax and she must pay, Wrigley said. "Nobody has squawked about that for years," she said. "The discrimination has been taking place for years."

Wrigley said that she would be pleased if federal and state laws changed to allow for marriage equity for gay people, but she said that the idea that Syracuse's lobbying could significantly accelerate that process was far-fetched. "That's a huge hill to climb," she said.

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  • Grossing up agenda of SU community, not just Chancellor
  • Posted by SU employee on January 29, 2010 at 9:30am EST
  • Shame on Inside Higher Ed for leaving out key facts about the impetus for the "grossing up" proposal at Syracuse. This article leaves the reader with the impression that it is the Chancellor's agenda. We are thrilled that she supports this idea, but the benefits report in question--to which I am sure your reporter had access--states very clearly that more than two years ago the Syracuse University Senate urged the administration to find a way to compensate for the relevant tax penalties to which same-sex domestic partners are subject. In fact, the vote was unanimous. Inclusion is a value vigorously embrassed by the Syracuse University community. Indeed, it is a hallmark of our institution, which throughout its history has played an important role in fostering social movements that were seen as "controversial" in their nascence, such as abolitionism, women's rights, and disability rights. We're proud of this history of being on the right side of justice.

  • Good for SYR
  • Posted by SeeEmBee on January 29, 2010 at 11:00am EST
  • Good for Syracuse -- and I appreciate the clarification from the SU employee. Only when both the chancellor and the faculty work together will such equity become possible. Note that the article makes an important error, however. It states
    "While health insurance benefits for employees and their spouses and children are not taxable under federal law, health insurance that an employee receives for a partner who is not a spouse recognized under state law is taxable."
    This statement implies that, in states that recognize marriage between same-sex persons (eg, Mass. or Conn.), no tax is owed by such a couple on health benefits. In fact, even same-sex spouses recognized under state law pay federal taxes (but not state taxes) on the value of the employer's contribution to their partner's health coverage. Recent estimates suggest the cost often comes to about $1000. Hence, SU's move. I'm surprised the AAUP president does not applaud this step. In fact, lots of people and organizations have, for years, 'lobbied' to change the tax law. But changing that law means repealing the DOMA, for starters. Rather than waiting for interminable years for that possibility, SU has gone ahead to compensate same-sex employees with domestic partners on their health care so that the same-sex employee gets the same take-home pay as his/her married colleagues.

  • A different perspective
  • Posted by Just a Student on January 29, 2010 at 12:30pm EST
  • I, too, don't think it's fair or wise to make a particular group-in this case same-sex couples--singled out for different treatment, It causes resentment, and one more structure for subtle discriminations.

    Maybe if Syracuse would just offer 'grossing up" to anyone who would have to pay taxes on health benefits, the discrimination issue would go away. To resolve the issue-regardless of who might benefit--could make the compensation equal, without separating a single group.

    That may sound naive or simplistic. But think about it. What if the laws changed in a year or so and taxes were no longer levied against same-sex benefits? Then the original resolution--to gross up those who had to pay taxes on the benefits--would be self regulating, and those who no longer had to pay would no longer receive the benefit. And if the law changed to require some other group to pay taxes on health care, the grossing up would apply to them as well, and once again avoid the problems of wrestling with rewriting policies and facing the spectre of separate but unequal treatment.

    Just a thought.

  • "Grossing Up" policy
  • Posted by Pat Cihon , Assoc. Prof. of Law & Public Policy at Syracuse University on January 29, 2010 at 12:45pm EST
  • I want to make it clear that my opinion regarding the legality of the proposed "grossing up" practice by Syracuse University is my personal opinion and does not represent the position of the Syracuse Chapter of the AAUP.

    The inequality in the tax treatment of partner benefits received by employees in same-sex relationships stems from federal (and state) tax laws -- not from a conscious choice by the employer. The tax laws have differential impacts on different employees -- employees with children are treated differently than employees without childrem, employees who are married are treated differently than those who are not married, employees who are married but file separate returns are treated differently than those who are married and file joint returns, and employees who are married are treated differently from those in same-sex relationships. But the differential treatment is due to the tax laws -- so it is the tax laws the university chould be working to change. I can understand that the university's intent is to overcome the tax discrimination against employees in same-sex relationships, but by making the $1000 "grossing up" payment available only to one class of employees, defined on grounds of sexual preference or sexual orientation, the university is discriminating against other employees based on their sexual preference or sexual orientation. The basis of the availability of the benefit is the sexual orientation or sexual preference of the employee; discrimination in terms or conditions of employment (including compensation) is specifically prohibited by Section 296(a)(1) of the NY State Human Rights Law. The US Supreme Court has ruled in various cases that employers who attempt to remedy societal discrimination against one group of employees by discriminating against another class of employees (sometimes known as "reverse discrimination") is a violation of the civil rights laws when the classes involved are defined on grounds prohibited by the civil rights laws. And here, the basis for defining the class that benefits (and that class that is denied the benefit) is sexual orientation or sexual preference -- and that basis is specifically prohibited by the NYS Human Rights Law.

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  • Easy solution
  • Posted by suabd on January 29, 2010 at 2:15pm EST
  • I'm proud to be a soon-to-be-alum. Maybe instead of trying to change the NY tax laws, how about doing the most obvious thing - recognize same-sex marriage. It would solve the "discriminatory" grossing up policy, and provide equal treatment for all married employees. Go Orange!

  • More on "grossing up"
  • Posted by Thomas Keck , Michael O. Sawyer Chair of Constitutional Law and Politics at Syracuse University on January 29, 2010 at 2:15pm EST
  • Another salient fact not mentioned in the article (or the comments so far): According to a survey conducted by SU's Office of Human Resources, 90% of employees who are legally married (to a spouse of the opposite sex) enroll that spouse in the University’s health plan. The corresponding figure for employees with eligible same-sex domestic partners is 28%. If other universities investigated this, my guess is they'd find similar results.

    I don't know if the discriminatory tax treatment explains all of this disparity, but it's obviously a factor. Even if it's Congress's fault rather than the university's fault, the fact is that under current policy, employees with same-sex partners have substantially less access to the university's health benefits than do employees with opposite-sex spouses.

    SU's current proposal--which, as another comment noted, was endorsed by the University Senate (though not unanimously)--is an effort to address this fact.

  • Benefits
  • Posted by Kristopher Venne , Accredited Domestic Partnership Advisor at Syracuse University (Alum) on January 29, 2010 at 3:00pm EST
  • As an Accredited Domestic Partnership Advisor for a major financial institution I must say that no matter where you stand in regards to the so called "grossing up" of benefits, one thing here is important to recognize; Any employer working to create solutions for their employees rather than simply ignoring the fact that not all employees are uniform speaks volumes to what is possible within the organization.

  • Have courage to take a stand
  • Posted by Student sick of hypocrisy , Student at Syracuse University on January 29, 2010 at 4:45pm EST
  • When my mother died, I learned the hard way - life is too short, and laws are unjust. As a woman, she had been denied access to education, until someone took at a stand at her school, and said, "No"- my mother went on to be more than just a science teacher, but a teacher about life. So, it is her life lesson that I share here ---

    Life is short - have the courage to stand for what is just when the law is unjust. As a person of color, I'm glad that the majority population was not allowed to limit my civil rights. As a woman, I'm glad that I can go to school. As a lesbian, I'm tired of schools hiding behind unjust laws because schools are supposed to know better. For the first time, I'm proud of my school for taking a stand for equality- for taking responsibility to rid the world of hate- for having the courage to be honest - that the benefits at SU were discriminatory because they were based on unjust laws - more importantly, SU took responsibility to say that they were no longer going to perpetuate hate and ignorance, and no longer maintain policies that were hypocritical- SU prides itself on being an inclusive environment. I wonder if people understand what it's like to have things thrown at you, to be subject to jokes by professors, or to be made fun of by other students because you're different - I do - as a lesbian, it's happened to me. As a person of color, it's happened to me. As a woman, it's happened to me. Sadly, so many of us sit silent, saying, "it's not my problem"- when it is. We cannot succeed unless the person on our left and our right succceeds as well. I pray the University does not back down on this policy- that it continues to take actions that are congruent with its values -- only then, can we truly say that we have learned our lessons from the past.

  • SU's "grossing up" proposal
  • Posted by Nancy Keefe Rhodes , free-lance arts writer & SU alum on January 29, 2010 at 6:00pm EST
  • I'm proud of Syracuse University for taking this stand to adjust unfair taxation laws regarding health insurance for partners of gay employess. Of course the laws should be changed. But that is a very easy & transparent out, & an excuse to fling up one's hands. In the meantime, SU has asked what that institution can do to even the odds. Once more, I see that Nancy Cantor means what she says. However, I do wish a term other than "grossing up" might be devised!

  • Gross Stupidity
  • Posted by Roderick Bell , Adjunct Professor - Political Science at College of DuPage on January 30, 2010 at 7:45am EST
  • Before we go all ballistic about whether it's fair that same-sex partners don't get the same tax benefits as married people, wouldn't it be a good idea to ask why there's a break for married people in the first place?

    Do we suppose it's a big Valentine from the tax payers to celebrate those cuddly marriage vows? Does the state just go, Awww, that's nice! Let's give'em a tax break!

    Married people get tax breaks, and they get further deductions for each kid. But the contribution parents make to society, compared with the compensation by society (in the form of tax breaks, etc.), is highly one-sided.

    Society needs children. It's how we keep going. Indeed, a huge problem for advanced economies is that their birthrates almost always fall below replacement levels, often drastically so. The best explanation for this increasingly problematic pattern is that people can't afford so many children any more. Women have to work; college is expensive; our advanced societies are actually shrinking.

    We've always needed children, and well brought up children are quite an expense. In some countries, like Japan, hefty bonuses have been offered to families as incentives to have more children.

    Well, not to go on and on about it, but the point is, society has an interest in supporting marriage. We get something out of marriages that produce children. But gay and lesbian marriages and partnerships? Hey, knock yourselves out if that's what you want; I think it's great. But don't ask society to chip in on the bill. Society doesn't pay for marriage out of sentimentality; it's been a solidly functional institution for managing child rearing and kinship succession for all different kinds of societies for century upon century. The silly claim that it's a "right" should be scoffed at, if by "right" it is meant that union should be subsidized by government and businesses.

  • Gross stupidity??
  • Posted by suabd on January 30, 2010 at 12:45pm EST
  • Mr. Bell,

    If marriage is strictly for procreating, why do married men and women who choose not to have children receive these tax breaks? That's where the hypocrisy enters: some gay men and lesbians want children, some heterosexual couple do not. The addition or absence of children should not affect the benefits faculty/staff receive. Benefits should be applied equally, regardless of identity.

    suabd

  • A Couple Problems
  • Posted by D Lu , Assistant Professor at UA on January 30, 2010 at 12:45pm EST
  • Several people state in the article and comments that the benefit applies to one group of people. The reason it applies to one group of people is because the penalty applies to one group of people.

    As to Bell's statement about society supporting marriage, if the reason society supports marriage is for the children, we need a few changes in marriage laws. I know a number of couples who married and have no intention of having children. I know a number of couples who married and do not have the ability to have children. In these cases, should the government terminate the marriages after a period if the marriage does not produce children? Or should the government discontinue tax benefits for couples who do not have children? How about after all of the children in a family reach a certain age, should the government terminate the marriage or discontinue tax benefits to the couple? As it is right now, the government and businesses subsidize marriage all of the time, but only for heterosexual couples.

    Heterosexual marriage is a right. There are no real hurdles for most 18 year old couples who decide to marry. At the same time, a gay or lesbian couple that has been together for decades is barred from marriage. Of course most opponents to marriage equality like to play the slippery slope game. If you let "GAYS" get married, pretty soon you will have men marrying children, people marrying dogs, ... It is real simple, let people with the capacity to enter into a marriage who give consent, get married. And let all married parties have the same benefits under law. Or have the government get out of the marriage business altogether.

  • Not gross stupidity, gross heterosexism
  • Posted by Steven , Director, LGBT Outreach & Services at Oregon State University on January 30, 2010 at 4:15pm EST
  • Re: "Gross Stupidity" by Roderick Bell

    It's gross heterosexism and magical thinking to believe that our society subsidizes heterosexual marriage because of the children they produce and simultaneously prohibits same sex couples from marrying because they don't produce children. If either of those statements was true then couples too old to procreate, couples that refused to have or adopt children, and those who are sterile would be prevented from receiving the 1,138 marriage benefits, rights, and privileges identified by the United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) in 2004. Likewise, same sex couples in a committed relationship would automatically accrue those 1,138 marriage benefits if adopted or biological were part of that family.

    I'm sorry, but it's obvious to any thinking person that the reasons some people are barred from participation in such an important institution as marriage are prejudice and bigotry. At least be intellectually honest about what you’re espousing here; your are, after all, an academic for heaven’s sake.

  • speaking for equity in benefits
  • Posted by Douglas Biklen , Professor and Dean, School of Education at Syracuse University on January 31, 2010 at 2:15pm EST
  • As a long-time member of AAUP, I was shocked to learn that the president of the Syracuse chapter of AAUP is not supportive of the proposed Syracuse University Working Group on Sustainable Benefits plan to provide a $1,000 annual offset to same sex partners’ health benefits tax. Syracuse University, like many other employers, is pursuing policies that bring equity into the workplace. I would hope that officers of AAUP would want to champion equity agendas not discourage them. The following website offers useful information concerning the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance on this issue:

    http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/lgbt/ny_governor_respects_marriage.pdf

    Another useful source on these issues is:

    http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/benefits/domestic_partner_benefit_taxation.htm

    Pat Cihon is wrong to suggest that the proposed policy is discriminatory. It is not at all clear that this benefit will be determined to be discriminatory. Benefits often accrue to employees differently and many are available to some and not others depending on circumstance, including dependent tuition benefits to name the largest of these. Further, progressive, equity-oriented practices have often arisen from practices at the local level to achieve recognition in national policy. I am proud that Syracuse University will be part of winning an expansion for equity in benefits.

  • Gross stupidity? More like gross ignorance...
  • Posted by Zeke on January 31, 2010 at 8:15pm EST
  • What Mr. Roderick "Gross Stupidity" Bell, and those who responded to him don't seem to realize is some of us gay and lesbians and their partners/spouses HAVE children and raise children with every bit AND MORE of the expenses that heterosexual parents have. Gay and lesbian people are not sterile. We can and do have children of our own, biological and adopted.

    By your misguided and uninformed argument it's couples with children who should be given social and civil benefits, and couples without children who should be denied those same benefits, regardless of the gender coupling of the parents. If that's what you TRULY believe, as opposed to, "same-sex couples are icky and shouldn't get "normal people" benefits, then you must support my partner and I receiving benefits based on the fact that we have two children and my brother and his wife should be ineligible due to their childless marriage. Perhaps, according to you, my brother should not even be allowed to remain married and I should immediately be given the right.

    Am I understanding you correctly? Please clarify.

    And to the spokesman who is making the "gays are receiving a special benefit based on their sexual orientation and that's discrimination" argument, are you flippin serious? You are an intelligent and educated man, and an attorney, and you PUBLICLY make such an uninformed and ignorant statement that is so clearly nonfactual? If that were the case then ALL gay people, regardless of their couple status, or their enrollment in the Syracuse benefit plan, would receive the $1,000 bonus. I'm assuming that only employees who are participating in the benefits plan and who are insuring their proven domestic partner are being given this benefit in order to compensate for the fact that THEY, and not straight married employees, are being taxed heavily on their benefit. The employees are NOT being given a benefit for their sexual orientation, as you claim (I can only imagine that this is either an intentionally misleading claim or you didn't think much about it before you made your argument public). They are being COMPENSATED for the reduced benefits that they receive. The University, graciously and rightly, is saying that until the Federal and state government get around to treating all of their citizens fairly, justly and equally, the Syracuse WILL take up the slack because they DO value and respect their faculty and staff equally.

    Please rethink your terribly flawed argument and consider becoming part of the immediate (local) and long-term (legal) solution to this shameful discrimination.

    Way to go Syracuse. Way to step up to the plate and LEAD in making our country more just, more fair and more equitable. Your faculty, staff, students and alumni have a lot to be proud of!

  • Posted by James E. Bryan , Assistant Professor, Dept. of Art and Design at University of Wisconsin-Stout on February 1, 2010 at 12:00pm EST
  • I applaud Syracuse University in taking these steps to at least partially alleviate inequities built into the tax codes. I completely agree to all who point out that even if government preferences to heterosexual marriage are designed to encourage procreation that they have never been implemented that way, and would add that anyone who thinks government policy should encourage ever-expanding populations in order to provide labor for ever-expanding economies must be oblivious to the fact that our planet's space and resources are not similarly ever-expanding and that such a policy will eventually lead to disaster. As to those who argue that it isn't the place of universities to address flaws in the legal system and in public policy, I will point out that it seems very seldom that unjust laws and unfair government practices are corrected simply because the lawyers and politicians in charge have a change of heart without any outside stimulus to it: the Voting Rights Act of 1964 didn't become law because a bunch of white Congressmen suddenly realized all by themselves that there were racist practices that ought to be ended. If enough local institutions like Syracuse become involved it will signal to those in power that this is a problem to be addressed and that in fact the people want it addressed.

  • Gross Misunderstanding
  • Posted by Roderick Bell , Adjunct Professor - Political Science at College of DuPage on February 4, 2010 at 6:00pm EST
  • Several rather heated responses to my “Gross Stupidity” comment indicate that my argument was misunderstood. Now, I can’t do much if people just want to advocate, offering arguments and “reasons” for the sole purpose of promoting their agenda rather than for discussing the pros and cons of an issue. But it appears that a lot of people really do believe that benefits for man-woman marriage is unfairly discriminatory if the same benefits are not provided to ostensibly committed gay couples.

    I argued that society doesn't pay for marriage out of sentimentality, but because marriage has been, through all known history, “functional” for managing child rearing and kinship succession for all different kinds of societies (see, e.g., Levi-Strauss on “the great game of marriage”).

    Several irate responders found this argument to be obviously fallacious:

    SUABD – “If marriage is strictly for procreating, why do married men and women who choose not to have children receive these tax breaks?”

    D LU – “if the reason society supports marriage is for the children, we need a few changes in marriage laws. … As it is right now [we] subsidize marriage all of the time, but only for heterosexual couples.”

    STEVEN – “It’s …magical thinking to believe …society subsidizes heterosexual marriage because of the children they produce and … prohibits same sex couples from marrying because they don't produce children. [If true], then couples too old to procreate [and other childless] couples … would be prevented from receiving the … marriage benefits …and same sex couples in a committed relationship would automatically accrue …marriage benefits if adopted or biological were part of that family.”

    ZEKE – “[S]ome of us gay and lesbians … HAVE children and raise children …. Gay and lesbian people are not sterile. …it's couples with children who should be given social and civil benefits, …[so] you must support my partner and I receiving benefits based on the fact that we have two children and my brother and his wife should be ineligible due to their childless marriage.”

    JAMES E. BRYAN – “[E]ven if government preferences to heterosexual marriage are designed to encourage procreation …they have never been implemented that way, and …[a] government policy [for]… ever-expanding populations in order to provide labor for ever-expanding economies …will eventually lead to disaster.”

    Apparently, my simple functional explanation was misunderstood. (Again, I can't do anything about a deliberate attempt to obfuscate and deny on ideological or political grounds.)

    “Functional” explanation is often misunderstood and/or misapplied in social science, rather analogously to how evolution in biology is often misunderstood and misapplied. In both cases, it’s easy to invert the logic, leading to total misunderstanding. In the case of biology, read Koestler’s THE CASE OF THE MIDWIFE TOAD, about Paul Kammerer’s quest to justify Lamarck’s theory that organisms may pass along characteristics they have acquired in their lifetime. In a sense (one favored by Soviet Union theorists), the idea was that evolution was driven by intention, or purpose, instead of being the result of random, accidental changes. And in casual discourse, we often "explain" a butterfly's close similarity to a different butterfly as the former's way of disguising itself as a different, bad-tasting kind in order to avoid predators. But of course, the butterfly didn't gain its appearance in order to disguise itself; rather, the fact that its appearance functions as a useful disguise accounts for its perseverance in an otherwise unsuitable environment inhabited by birds that would eat up all of its tasty kind. It looks that way by chance; it continues to look that way because its looks are functional.

    Each of you seems to interpret my functional argument as though it were analogous to the Lemarkian fallacy; you think I’m saying that marriage is intended by society to produce children. But, as you say, if that’s what marriage is for, why doesn’t it focus more clearly upon its intent, and exclude those who don’t have children?

    As I trust it's becoming clear, the answer is that marriage as a conventional practice came about for all sorts of reasons, many of which are unknown to us, lost in the mist of prehistoric times. But, over time, as societies became larger, more inclusive of earlier small societies, and more governed by laws and enforceable rules, certain conventional practices were shored up, augmented, changed, and otherwise hardened into law, because they were *already* useful to society. The persistence of certain conventions tends to reflect the functionality, the usefulness, of those conventions. Marriage is a fine example of this feedback-loop phenomenon. Though the particulars may vary across societies, they all have laws defining “legal” marriage. Few conventions are as universal. –Oh, and they’re all about heterosexual union, for pretty obvious reasons, I would say.

    By now, “marriage” is freighted with many virtues conferred upon the institution ex post facto. Probably the silliest set of “reasons” for marriage is found in the category of romantic love, which seems to be the driving force behind many pleas for homosexual marriage. And I still say, Hey, that’s beautiful, way to go, etc., but it’s your call. You pay for it, much as we find more and more middle class weddings where the couple, if that’s how they want to spend their money, pick up the tab for an extravagent ceremony.

    You should be able to see that child-rearing and legal kinship are good and likely reasons why societies would shore up and clarify their marriage laws. In so doing, a heart-breaking category of children, orphaned or illegitimate, was institutionalized, hence we also have adoption laws, orphanages, etc. But the main thing is, marriage laws were tacked onto certain practices, or conventions. Nobody said, hey, we need children, so how about we invent marriage? The children just keep coming, but society increasingly needed to regularize and support effective child rearing—not the other way around. (Once in a while, maybe like very early Soviet Union practices, and maybe in Israel back in the day, governments have tried to implement through laws a marriage/family pattern that would achieve some policy aim. Plato had a pretty dramatic plan in THE REPUBLIC. But most real-world marriage came about through accretion, if you will, followed up by confirming laws, where the state had an interest--like, who's responsible for these little nippers?)

    So. SUABD, marriage is surely not “strictly for procreating,” but procreation is characteristic enough of marriage to explain why tax breaks are associated with legal marriage. Procreation will occur, regardless, but marriage brings a useful pattern and orderliness to the process. It would hardly work to come dashing in, after the fact, to award marriage status and benefits to anyone with a baby. I daresay the father half of the equation would often turn up missing; then, would the state want to encourage single-mom families? D LU, same point as directed to SUABD: Marriage is subsidized because of its child-rearing function and the host of practices associated with child rearing, but as a practical matter, you have to establish marriage and its rules before, not after, the children come. Indeed, many marriage laws were passed to protect women who might have been cast aside if procreation didn’t go as expected (like, no son). STEVEN, I suggest you leave the “magical thinking” trope to English teachers who will, one fervently hopes, soon turn to a new concept du jour. As for your supposed understanding of my argument: Marriage was there first; society subsidizes it (after the fact) because of its useful functions, particularly with respect to children. Society does not prohibit same sex couples from marrying in the sense of openly, even ritualistically, proclaiming whatever mutual vows they want to. But society doesn’t create a new institution, homosexual marriage, with special benefits that make no sense except to subsidize the institution for its child-rearing and related functions. As for same sex couples with children, see my response to Zeke. ZEKE, there are a host of institutions, many of them with tax breaks, for supporting parentless children. Adoption, of course, is a big one, but there’s also foster car, orphanages, and I suppose other institutions. The laws presumably set standards and restrictions on such arrangements for the protection of the children, but the very existence of children in need of adoption or other support means a) that marriage did not occur or failed for economic or other reasons, and b) the adoptive or other arrangement is not the first choice, but the best one under the circumstances, namely, that society’s legal, preferred institution for child-rearing is not available. Again, society probably does not wish to invent a new institution for bringing children into the world; procreation was occurring long before marriage was made a legal or even customary institution. –And may I add, Zeke, that you and your partner “have children” either by adoption or by means of some legally and practically convoluted surrogate mother scheme. (Although it’s not clear what “surrogate mother” even means if the intent is to produce a baby who has, if effect, no mother.) But if it’s by adoption, I heartily support your project, assuming you pass a responsible investigation into your fitness as a couple, since the adoptive baby is, by definition, a child in need first of loving caretaking because he/she has no parents able to take on that primary function. But if you were lesbians who wanted to birth your own baby, I’m not sure why society and the state would want to invent an institution that deliberately creates fatherless children. Some lesbians may feel that men aren’t needed, and this not-needed status can be passed along to a child as a birthright, but I imagine that quite a few males—including yours truly—see things differently and do NOT intend to chip in so that such an institution can be subsidized. JAMES BRYAN, I did not say or imply that government preferences to heterosexual marriage are designed to encourage procreation. See above; that’s totally inverted logic. Marriage laws are more about dealing with, or managing, the pre-existing fact of procreation, not “encouraging” it. Notice that a government policy aimed at *discouraging* population is also implemented through marriage laws: I mean China’s one-child law.