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October 21, 2009

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After several years of experimenting with “hybrid” Spanish courses that mix online and classroom instruction, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has decided to begin conducting its introductory Spanish course exclusively on the Web.

Spanish 101, which had featured online lessons combined with one classroom session per week, will drop its face-to-face component in an effort to save on teaching costs and campus space in light of rising demand for Spanish instruction and a shrinking departmental budget.

“We were seeing that there was just a lot of demand on our resources, both monetary and space-wise, due to Spanish,” said Larry King, chair of the Romance Languages and Literatures Department.

Meanwhile, the department’s budget was slashed by $150,000 this year. It had been planning to shift its introductory courses online even before the recession hit, King said, in hopes of freeing up money to hire another instructor. Instead, the anticipated savings from the move have so far spared his department from personnel cuts.

Foreign language classes, like those in just about every subject area, have of course been offered online for years. And online courses have become a key way for some languages to be taught at smaller colleges that might not produce enough students to fill a section. For example, the Sunoikisis program -- started by the Associated Colleges of the South and now part of Harvard University's Center for Hellenic Studies -- offers courses in Greek and Latin that many small colleges would find impossible to support. But advocates for such courses have generally said that they are essential when in-person instruction wouldn't otherwise take place. What makes Chapel Hill's announcement notable is that it's about Spanish. And if there is one foreign language at American colleges and universities that never struggles to produce demand for in-person sections, it is Spanish.

Under the new system, a single professor would preside over four sections of the class, with support from graduate assistants.

Some students reacted negatively to the news that the introductory course would move to the Web, even if it meant more students would be able to take it.

“The speaking aspect of the language is the most difficult to learn,” Kate Guilfoyle, a Chapel Hill sophomore who plans to minor in Spanish, wrote in an e-mail to Inside Higher Ed. “…If classes were taught online, students would never have practice actually speaking words out loud, learning the accent and correct pronunciations (which really is important if someone plans to study or travel abroad).”

Guilfoyle added that an online course might be less likely than a face-to-face one to inspire students to study Spanish further. “Part of what caused me to get so interested in the language was communicating with classmates and my professor. If students are just sitting at a computer to complete a course, this will undoubtedly be a tedious task, and I don't see how it could possibly interest anyone.”

But department officials said they don't expect the online-only format to hamper learning. Hosun Kim, director of the college’s Foreign Language Resource Center, said survey data gathered by the department revealed that while students in traditional courses said they thought they mastered the material better than their peers in hybrid courses, a comparative assessment of learning outcomes showed no difference between the two.

The syllabuses for the online component will be same as in the hybrid courses, said Glynis Cowell, director of the Spanish Program. “The instructional Power Point that we are using right now,” she said, “-- we have a program we can use where we can actually capture that, and there is the sense that the professor is speaking to the students.”

And if students require additional help, they would be able to visit the professor during office hours -- either in person or by video. Meanwhile, Cowell said, students would be able to manage their “class” time according to their own needs. “The students who have had two years of high school Spanish, if they place into 101, really what they need is a quick review to get them up to speed,” she said. “An online program like this would allow them then to sort of tailor their review so they could spend less time on what they know well and more time on what it is that they need to review.”

Rosemary Feal, executive director of the Modern Language Association, said she did not know enough details about the Chapel Hill case to comment on whether the change might affect learning outcomes, noting that “there’s nothing inherently right or wrong about using technology for learning.”

She did, however, caution against letting teaching decisions be guided by thrift. “The question of ‘How can we reduce the cost of delivering instruction’ is not what should be driving the decision, even though we all understand that universities are facing hard financial times,” Feal said. “A lot of tough decisions must be made, but those must always be made in thinking about what are the best instructional environment and opportunities for our students.”

Chapel Hill plans to measure the effectiveness of its online introductory course by administering the same placement test it uses before enrollment at the end of the semester. Cowell and King both said that poor results could prompt them to reverse the move, although they said the possibility of that happening is so remote they aren’t giving it too much thought.

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Comments on Adios to Spanish 101 Classroom

  • Insane
  • Posted by smartassprof , Assis Prof Modern Lang at 4-year on October 21, 2009 at 6:30am EDT
  • Fits perfectly the US American idea of foreign language learning. The worst, the better. Latin and Greek online courses as a role model for learning Spanish? What ever happened to the so-called communicative approach? Why are Americans so opposed to learning languages?? It's not only about learning a language but rather about having someone from the target culture in front of a bunch of suburban kids to show them what the world is all about.

    This is the most pathetic idea and I'm not surprised it comes from Harvard.

  • Horrible decision
  • Posted by Caroline on October 21, 2009 at 6:45am EDT
  • Decisions like this make me want to scream. On-line is not the way to learn a language, except in some special cases. Working with language learners I've seen that speaking and overcoming embarrasment is the most difficult skill for the majority. And I agree with the student whose email was quoted in the article. This approach is unlikely to spark interest to continue learning a language or using it.

  • Learning to SPEAK Spanish?
  • Posted by Melinda Nobles , Assoc. Prof/English at Northeast Texas Community College on October 21, 2009 at 8:15am EDT
  • In this article's discussion, only student Kate Guilfoyle expresses concern for Spanish as a language and not simply course content. A language cannot be "delivered." It must be acquired, which entails verbal practice in a social setting. One solution would be to sell a simple mic to students (covered by a course fee) and include required, instructor-facilitated voice chat in the course design. Another would be to require that students complete and submit recorded community interactions in mercados, taquerias, and so on. Yet these would be more labor-intensive for the course instructor than a simple class meeting.

    Legislative bodies and administrators are forcing academic departments to cut into the muscle and bone of instruction. Surely the distinguished institution of UNC-CH can support a better alternative than this.

  • Assessment
  • Posted by Matt Kaplan , Teaching Center at University of Michigan on October 21, 2009 at 8:45am EDT
  • Interesting to note that they have found no difference in learning between the online version and the in-class version of Span. 101. I would be very interested to find out what type of test is being used and, specifically, whether there was any attempt to measure oral (or aural) proficiency. It would not surprise me to find that students' command of grammar and syntax in written format was just as good in an all on-line setting. However, I would be surprised to learn that they gained the same facility with the spoken language as they did when they were meeting with an instructor and other students. One caveat: the comparison would need to be between completely online and completely in person. I'm not sure meeting one day a week is much of an advantage over purely distance learning. In my experience, it's the frequent contact and practice with the language that starts to make a difference.

  • ¡Que tonteria!
  • Posted by JJR , Librarian at Texas Woman's University on October 21, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • ¡Malo! ¡Estupidez! Einer der schlimmsten Ideen im Sprachunterricht die ich je gehört habe! Language is first and foremost spoken...with other people. Face to face. Span 101 when I took it met 4 days a week classroom and 1 day a week language lab. The adult ed classes I took in Spanish later on met at least 3 nights a week. Face-to-face for Ancient Greek (as distinct from Modern Greek) and Latin don't matter so much, they're mostly studied for reading comprehension. This is a really bad idea that should be followed by no other institutions. We offer several sections of SPAN 101, it's very popular here. I know what modest advances I made in the beginning were due to dilligent and helpful teachers face-to-face in a classroom setting.

    Online 101 classes in FL? Worst. Idea. Ever.

  • So eine Dummheit!
  • Posted by Hanna , Associate Professor on October 21, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • The reason students do poorly in a language is because the foundation of the beginning levels is weak in the first place due to few contact hours. It's stupid to follow this online model - the students go in weak and come out weak, that is, if they end up finishing the online course. Frustration ensues and students don't even get past the second or third semester. Past history and recent history are showing me the following:

    1. Students put off work for most classes until the night before. Online courses will only exacerbate this situation.

    2. I post homework, worksheets, grammar sheets, help guides, etc. online. Students still don't read them, even though they have their iPhones, wireless laptops or Blackberries with them constantly. Heck, they don't even need to get out of bed to access this work. But they don't.

    This idea of having Spanish 101 solely online is a crock. Whoever thought of this is certainly not a language pedagogue. In fact, I don't even think a further study needs to be done about this - I would bet there are several colleges who have these courses online already and have a heap of evidence about how online functions against active classroom learning. My guess is the latter trumps the former.

  • Great idea!
  • Posted by Dopsie on October 21, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • If you really want to know how effective the face-to-face version is--or ANY version--why not do an evaluation three years after the course is completed?

    To be honest, the way most courses are taught is for the here-and-now. After the semester ends, who cares? The students don't. The faculty don't, either. FL at this level is just jumping through a hoop, fulfilling a graduation requirement.

  • Ancient Greek and Latin
  • Posted by Samuel J. Huskey , Chair, Classics and Letters at University of Oklahoma on October 21, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • I take issue with the comments about face-to-face instruction being irrelevant for instruction in Ancient Greek and Latin. We include oral and aural components in all of our courses here at the University of Oklahoma, and I know that my colleagues at other universities do the same. Whether a language is "dead" or living, learning it is fundamentally a social activity, and it requires face-to-face instruction from a competent, human teacher.

    If you want to talk about lunacy, consider that certain universities are talking about turning their language courses over to Rosetta Stone in language lab settings. (And yes, there is a Rosetta Stone package for Latin. No, it will not help a student learn how to cope with Cicero.)

  • Could be successful if...
  • Posted by Mary Stevens , Lecturer, Coordinator, Lower-Division Spanish Courses at SUNY New Paltz on October 21, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • I can see online language courses being successful if

    1. students and instructors could interact via technology that enables spoken communication,

    2. students had to read, write, speak, and listen at least an hour a day, five days per week, and

    3. class sizes were such that the instructor would be working no more than ten hours per week per class section prepping, interacting, and grading. (Four courses during a 40-hour work week = ten hours per course). (This assumes that the instructor would have no other professional obligations than teaching the four courses). Class sizes could be larger if TAs and GAs helping.

    If any of these pieces were missing, there's no way online courses could compare to classroom instruction.

  • Posted by K on October 21, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • But department officials said they don't expect the online-only format to hamper learning. Hosun Kim, director of the college’s Foreign Language Resource Center, said survey data gathered by the department revealed that while students in traditional courses said they thought they mastered the material better than their peers in hybrid courses, a comparative assessment of learning outcomes showed no difference between the two.
    Do they not realize hybrid courses still meet and provide face-to-face interaction? Showing that students in traditional and hybrid classes learn about the same does nothing when arguing for an online-only class. There's an integral part missing there, folks.

    Technology IS very useful, and I'm all for hybrid classes or online-only in some disciplines, but language? Really?

  • Cheap is bueno
  • Posted , FL-Language Professor on October 21, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • For those of you wondering how this happen, McFly, a spy in a wall at a Academic Affairs meeting recorded the following: "People, colleagues, I know how we can save money and at the same time make a lot of money...
    "Here in North Carolina we have a lot of them Hispanics and Latinos. We must go global. Let's teach 101 Spanish! Yes, great idea! That's the most sought out Foreign language. We can hire part-timer and pay them close to nothing... and they will do it!" "Hmm, that's too much money to spend, we are here to bring some revenue and the students well being of-course..." "I have a better idea" says another on this fabulous commitee, "What if we deploy it online, and one person teaches 4 courses, it's not like it's full time, it's online, so we can pay them half or 2/3's the cost. No campus time, no office resources, just s/he and the pc or mac." "Yes, since we provide the technology (Blackboard, Quia, etc.) and s/he and they log in. Brilliant!!! " Whatwill be cost, I mean give me a number? Nada mucho, says another poorly online trained member of the board with a thick non native accent. And adds we shall make musho dinero..." And they all start rubbing their hands like Ebenezer Scrooge.

    I have to agree with Rosemary Feal, technology is good to put in use but not a substitute to teach foundational Spanish 101 online? Who is sleeping at the helm in Foreign Language acquisition in North Carolina and Havard? While other countries that do not boast being the greatest in the world learn language the old fashion way, face to face, one on one, cultural exchanging nuances and ideas... we want to put out Billy Mays Spanish: "Wait, if you act now you also get a OxySpanish... but there is more, not only you do not get pronunciation, no language monitor, and no human interaction, you also do not get to learn the language in authentic situations! Don't worry it's just a basic requirement and we really don't care. Can we extend this project to online administrators, presidents, and board of directors? We can save a lot of money that way too.

    It surprises me that the state of North Carolina, U of NC, CH came up with this idea. Really, Spanish? Really! Last time I looked Spanish and any other language was learned face to face. I wonder what would happen if they decided to teach all basic courses online to save money... So much for we care about the students first and their education. Operators are standing by....

  • Yes, it's about face time, but not about native speakers...
  • Posted by Angela Erickson-Grussing , Instructor of Spanish at College of St. Benedict/St. John's University on October 21, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • As a language instructor, I'm of course outraged by this attempt to cut costs and streamline the introductory language program...I sincerely hope other institutions don't follow suit (as this isn't in any of the current literature as 'best practice').

    However, it's important to fully understand what language and culture learning in the classroom is all about. According to smartassprof, "It's not only about learning a language but rather about having someone from the target culture in front of a bunch of suburban kids to show them what the world is all about."

    Be careful with statements such as these...it may have been the majority opinion 20 years ago that language/culture acquisition is best achieved in a classroom with a native speaker at the helm, but the current research indicates that is NOT the case. Non-native speakers bring a unique set of experiences and understanding of the plight of language learners here in the US that native speakers cannot match. Furthermore, the literature indicates that in order for students to become more 'interculturally competent', they must first reflect on their own culture - instructors from the US have a much better chance of helping students with this than native speakers from abroad with a limited knowledge of the C1.

  • I agree
  • Posted by Dr T , Asst. Prof of Spanish on October 21, 2009 at 11:00am EDT
  • From the article they are not talking about true beginners, but students who come in with a couple of years worth of work. If they don't need the class, why are they taking it, and if they do need it, I doubt an online format will prepare them for further work and certainly not fluency.

  • a language isn't "information"
  • Posted by Chica , almost Spanish major on October 21, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • I'm told that there are entire countries -- Spain, Argentina, Mexico being examples -- where Spanish is taught, where students learn to speak, read, and write it, entirely without the "benefit" of computers. If one wants students to be proficient in a language, the way to do it is not by filling them full of grammatical rules and individual exercises.

    Sure, it's cheaper. So is building bridges without safety features.

    As a nation, we should be delighted that there's increased student interest in learning languages. Certainly a generation of students who have learned to converse and read and write Spanish will be able to interact with the large number of Spanish speakers in this hemisphere. It'll be good for social harmony in the United States, and also good for those of non-Hispanic heritage who want to fill jobs that call for bilingual expertise. What's not to like?

    John Ruskin once wrote something like this: There is almost nothing that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and those who consider price only are this man's lawful prey.

  • Spanish 101
  • Posted by Just a Student on October 21, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • As a student who loves Spanish, and yet I'm still woefully lacking in speaking ability, I'd like to make a point or two from another point of view. I took two years of Spanish in Collegegot straight A's in it, spent several weeks on two occasions in a language school in Mexico,utilized both Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone, and participated in two other forms of language acquisition training, because I love the language and I want to achieve fluency.

    1) No 101 class (and sorrowfully, no 200 class) makes a person fluent.

    2) The majority of people taking 101 are only doing it to pass a graduation requirement

    3) Speaking practice in the first year was never more than a few minutes of the time of the class. Most of the activity and homework invlves vocabulary and conjugations.

    4) Given the realities of #3, Maybe online instruction for the beginning learner isn't so bad--maybe it gives them something to start with so when they begin speaking, they actually have some vocabulary to use and don't feel so stupid!!!

    ***BTW, the argument that money should not run the discussion is interesting since it already did--no one would choose the current systems of learning if they had no monetary constraints--language learning would look very different--much more face to face time if money was not a primary concern.

    5) Frankly, I think starting with Rosetta Stone or Pimsleur would be great!--it would get thestudent familiar with vocabulary and general sentence structure in an enjoyable format, then when people have that, they could go into the next level class with real instructors who could put some real time and attention into help the students progress aurally and orally.

    Had I not been so interested in learning the language, I would never have continued past the first required year--by that time i was pretty disillusioned!

  • Rosemary Feal
  • Posted by Arturo on October 21, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • It's good that you admit that you don't know enough about this, but I think it would be helpful if you knew soon. Perhaps you would find out that this whole idea is detrimental to everything we do when helping students learn a language. Spanish is not Greek or Latin.

  • An Even Better Idea
  • Posted , Retired at Xavier University on October 21, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • To improve academic standards of the university AND save lots of money, consider putting the entire Business College on line.

  • Re: Just a Student
  • Posted by K on October 21, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • While you make some valid points, not all intro classes are like that. I only graduated in 2007 (not UNC though), and I had some great intro classes for French and Arabic. We had TAs for French 102 and 103 in addition to the regular professor, usually native speakers, and I remember being put into groups to try to either read a conversation out of the book or attempt to make one up ourselves. We were terrible, to be sure, but we definitely had a lot more than a few minutes of speaking time. Arabic 101 involved a decent amount of speaking, but I also had a fabulous professor who taught us way more than introductory Arabic.

    And frankly, I'd rather try to start speaking a foreign language in a room where everyone else is as terrible as I am, instead of subjecting my roommate to odd noises that sort of, maybe, sound like a different language.

  • "Just a student" makes a good point
  • Posted by Jim Davis , Professor, French; World Languages & Cultures at University of Arkansas, Fayetteville on October 21, 2009 at 5:30pm EDT
  • Thank you, "Just a student," for a much-needed reality check. Based on my experience as a coordinator-supervisor of foreign-language instruction at several institutions, I feel qualified to say that most university beginning-language programs are awful. 1) Despite pre-semester orientations, weekly meetings and methods classes, many TAs are not good communicative language instructors. 2) Some (most?) TAs language competence is maybe a 1+ on the FSI/ACTFL scale if the wind is blowing in the right direction and the sun is shining. The result is accurately described by "Just".

    The more disturbing question is: where does the on-line replacement of faculty end? I think Naomi Klein's analyses in "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" explain this trend a bit too well for my comfort level. I think NK would say something like this: many faculty have been traumatized and paralyzed by the shock of the putative financial crisis. We have now reached that moment so long-awaited by the vipers who want to transform universities into tech schools. Many of us are terrified; we are completely baffled by this sudden gutting of our programs; we are relieved to be thrown a few crumbs, any crumbs from upper administration.

    I'm buying lots of lottery tickets and preparing for early retirement.

  • Thank you, "just a student" and Jim Davis
  • Posted by Beatrice , language prof emerita at a northeastern university on October 21, 2009 at 7:45pm EDT
  • Thank you both for making valid points. Here are a couple more thoughts.

    Face to face instruction varies wildly in quality, and really, many 101 courses are teaching skills and material that should have been mastered in high school. Why NOT have a quicker, more flexible way for students to review -- and hopefully move on to more advanced courses? It could certainly save students time and money, both of which are in short supply, now more than ever.

    The assumption of the naysayers here is that learning online can't compare to human interactions. I have no quarrel with that. But the other assumption is that only instructors in classrooms can provide an opportunity to speak or supply that human interaction.

    Nonsense! There is nothing about online instruction that prevents a student from speaking the language out loud to the computer. There is nothing that prevents the student from practicing language skills by watching Spanish-language TV, reading Spanish-language magazines, going to Spanish-language movies, or interacting with Spanish speakers.

    The key is for the student to 1) WANT to learn the language, in all of its complexity; and 2) take some personal RESPONSIBILITY for doing so. Both the motivation to learn languages and the habit of taking responsibility for their own learning are in short supply among US students.

    That's the real problem, not online instruction. If we had 1) and 2), students would find a way to make online (or any other delivery model) work, and professors would help them to do so.

  • Synoikisis
  • Posted by Jack on October 21, 2009 at 8:00pm EDT
  • The Latin and Greek courses were not 101, but upper-level, and they didn't start at Harvard, they started with NITLE's support.

  • Don't Knock It 'til You've Tried It
  • Posted by Teresa Roebuck , Online Spanish Instructor and President, at Global Association for Teaching Excellence on October 22, 2009 at 5:30am EDT
  • My first and foremost thought after reading this article and the plethora of nay-saying comments tagged along after it is quite simply this.

    Have you ever taken, or taught, an online course?

    If you have not experienced the wealth and depth of resources available online for learning ANYTHING (yes, even Spanish!) first hand, then, you really ought not be commenting on this at all.

    My vote goes to any thing, any method, any system of any kind that will help American students become even remotely acquainted with the Spanish language and our growing Hispanic-infused culture. I'm for learning any language or culture in order to progress.

    We are a global society. We need to keep up and if taking languages classes online helps anyone to do just that, then I say more power to them.

  • On line Instruction in Spanish
  • Posted by Viola Olsen , Instructor: Spanish at Southern Oregon University on October 22, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • To Teresa: Don't Knock It 'til You've Tried It.

    I have tried it, and I can debunk the myths surrounding language acquisition and online classes. I am currently teaching two face-to-face Spanish 101 classes and one online Spanish at Southern Oregon University, and I can safely say that language proficiency and cultural understanding can be just as effective, if not more, in an online environment.

    My online class (En Linea) is by far more communicative, more focused, and more effective than the face to face classes. I have been teaching beginning Spanish at SOU, face to face, for twelve years, so it's not due to incompetence. Trying to use a one-size-fits-all approach in a classroom of 25 students, four hours per week, does not always produce the desired outcomes. (I can vouch for most of what "Just a Student" has said about university Spanish classes. )

    In defense of online classes, most people are not aware of the new technologies that bring people face to face in an online environment. In fact, in our class, we bring Spanish-speaking cultures and native speakers to our students -- wherever he or she may be. In Oregon, the student could be stranded on a mountaintop on a snowy day, or sick with HINI, or nursing a sick child, or working full time. The electronic book provides films, cultural readings, native speaker tutorials with a charming "cartoon" professor (el profesor Gomez), multiple practices for a variety of learning styles, quizzes, e-partner conversations, voice threads, and much more. Granted, a cartoon character is no substitute for a flesh and blood instructor, but for students with high speed Internet, a microphone and/or a web cam, it's even better. Most of these kids grew up with Sesame Street! Furthermore, there is no special software to buy, other than the e-textbook, which is 1/2 the price of our regular classroom text! We offer virtual office hours with Elluminate. We use Capture technology, Camtasia, and Screencast videos to present live and recorded instruction. Technology is not used as a substitute, but as an extension of the instructor. There is no way I can provide the same tools to my other 50 students every day in the short period that we spend together in class. I truly believe, that when used purposefully and mindfully, the well-chosen technology can teach people on the moon!

    As for the "money" that we are saving the institution? Our college provides Distance Education courses to reach students who could not otherwise get a college degree. We have a tireless tech support staff, almost 24/7, to provide students and staff with all the necessary tools for success. Every day, we are working toward assessing and reassessing the value of our distance courses, and so far we are finding positive results.

    If you want to preview the Vista Higher Learning e-text, please copy and paste the link to your web browser. The text is only part of our instruction. The rest of the presentations and interviews are created by the instructor and are not visible in the preview.

    Link to the electronic text (En Linea from Vista Higher Learning):
    Sit back and enjoy.

    http://5nline1.vhlcentral.com/enlinea/fullscreen.htm

  • Online Spanish 101
  • Posted by Dale on October 22, 2009 at 12:30pm EDT
  • Let's just all close our doors and enroll every student in University of Pheonix. Let's cyber everybody!

  • The proof of the pudding . . .
  • Posted by Blair Bateman , Assistant professor at Brigham Young University on October 22, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • It's been fascinating to read folks' comments on this issue. I agree that this is an innovative way of using technology to address budgetary challenges, and that one shouldn't "knock it 'til you've tried it." I wonder, though, exactly what outcomes department officials were measuring when they reported that students in online classes "mastered the material" just as well as students in traditional courses. To what extent was oral communicative ability assessed? Interpersonal communication? Cultural understanding? Cross-cultural attitudes? Could it be that even the traditional courses neglect to teach and assess these things, and therefore the online courses end up looking just as good as the traditional ones?

    The real measure of the success of foreign language classes is their long-term impact on students' ability to use the language to communicate with those who speak it, and their desire to do so. This implies that students need to continue their language study long beyond Spanish 101. If it turns out that neither the traditional nor the online classes accomplish much in this area, I would see it not as proof of the success of online courses, but rather of the failure of traditional ones.

  • Popular is not always good
  • Posted by Deborah , Spanish Professor at DBU - Dallas on October 22, 2009 at 7:30pm EDT
  • I know online classes are popular, and I have been trying to incorporate them into my classes; but I can honestly say that with my Spanish students, the "online classes" have only been a partial success. There is too much missing from them that occur in the face-to-face classroom.

    And I must add that a Spanish test/exam online would be extremely easy to Ace...simply get Juan, Pedro or Maria to help you with it and presto...instant A. This is not as easy to happen with other disciplines.

    I'm still willing to teach more classes online so as to get more exposure and knowledge of the online experience. But as of now, I believe that a) in-class is the best for our students, b) A Hybrid course is possible as an alternative for students that can't come to all the classes c) I could never agree with a full, online Spanish course.

  • ECONOMICS VS. PEDAGOGY?...OR IT IS A MATTER OF RESPECT?
  • Posted by David Walter Aguado on October 23, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • Two important things can be gleaned from the comments made by both detractors and supporters of the on-line approach to SPA101:
    1. - The claim that students look at foreign languages as a requisite (read "hurdle") they must "get over" and move on with their lives. This is true for many students (as it is true of many subjects such as Calculus, English, and other compulsory courses). If the objective is to save money...why not teach all the other "unpleasant" subjects on-line as well? Evidently, this would make no sense for those subjects -as much as it does not make any sense for Spanish either. As some of the colleagues have eloquently explained: Foreign language instruction requires human interaction and exposure to a set of different cultural values and social customs. The "ear" and the "tongue" need time and help to develop. Try to get that on-line!
    2. - There is a need for us to address a question: What are the objectives of SPA101? Preparing the foundation (a strong one is best) for future learning. We should focus on these objectives, not on students for whom any foreign language is not much more than a mere academic requisite. Are we willing to short-change all those students who would like to major in foreign language because of this group? We could...but we shouldn't!
    The colleagues in Harvard and North Carolina need to understand that beyond all the reasons already stated my multiple colleagues here, there is yet another issue at play: For those of us whose first language is Spanish (and I am only speaking for myself -though some other colleagues may share this opinion) this decision will accomplish two things: Undermine our language, and trivialize our culture and heritage. We have worked very hard to gain respect. We need to continue working together towards diversity and multiculturalism. This is most definitely not the way!

  • Teaching Beginning and Intermediate Spanish Online
  • Posted by Tony Spanos , Professor of Spanish at Weber State University on October 23, 2009 at 7:15pm EDT
  • From my personal experiences of teaching different Spanish courses online, I see no reason why teaching beginning Spanish, French, German or any other language can't be done and accomplished online in a pedagogically sound and effective way. I disagree with the majority of the comments and opinions that have been expressed on this topic.

    It became very apparent to me after reading all the view points and opinions expressed on this issue that the majority of the individuals believes that beginning foreign language courses need to be taught like they were taught (face to face in a traditional classroom setting). I think that is a very weak rationale for saying that beginning language courses cannot be taught unless the human interaction and face-to-face contact exists that teachers and other students provide.

    It was also very apparent to me that almost all of those individuals who posted comments are unaware and ill informed of what new technologies are available to provide beginning online language learners with significant interaction, collaboration and connections with the teacher and other students. Powerful and innovative Web 2.0 applications and tools make it possible to provide the humanistic element that appears to be the main complaint about teaching beginning language courses online. Modern technology makes possible the interaction and the up-close-and-personal contact that many believe is absent in online instruction. That is simply not the case. That is how far technology has progressed, but we still insist the the old paradigm of the traditional classroom with a live body is the only way to teach beginning language courses. Through the use of audio, video and synchronous/ asynchronous activities, there is no reason why good and accurate pronunciation can't be taught and mastered. The same is true of other skills, competencies and proficiency that teachers want beginning students to learn and master.

    I applaud the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for stepping out of the traditional mold of the way teaching beginning languages classes has been done in the past, and using modern technology as a different paradigm to teach these classes. As we already know, the technology itself does not insure that learning and acquiring Spanish, French, German 101 will happen, but in the hands of the knowledgeable teacher and educator who remains committed to the collaborative process, beginning online language learners can develop the necessary language skills to become proficient in a foreign language.

  • Online Spanish Works
  • Posted by Robin Hubbard , PhD student & Mom at University of Missouri - Columbia on October 24, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • My daughter has taken two years of online Spanish for Middle School. As Melinda Nobles commented oral and aural proficiency is provided by use of inexpensive or laptop included microphone. She recorded her responses using "WAV" recorder that comes with Windows OS (tm).

    I learned more with her online then I learned with a combined six years of Spanish (high school and college). One of the features I loved of her class was the opportunity to hear different accents with emphasis on South America rather than Castillean Spanish (Spain).

    As I recall, most of her "learning" occurred in a learning lab without any teacher-student interaction. Has that changed? No.

    I am not surprised then that there was "no difference" between online and face-to-face delivery systems for introductory Spanish.

  • This is a GREAT decision, but could go one further
  • Posted by Mark , College Counselor on October 27, 2009 at 9:15am EDT
  • My 11 year-old son is taking Spanish online. He is fluent (and I understand what fluency is, having been a French teacher myself). He takes lessons once a week with a real person via Skype. The teacher in in Guatemala, and she is very experienced. She charges only $12 per hour.

    So an aspiring Spanish student were really serious about learning a language--especially the introductory levels--he or she could take 3 hours a week of private, one-on-one Spanish lessons for $36 per week, or $540 for an entire semester. Anyone can do this via SpeakShop.com. It's a great company, run by wonderful people, and the tutors are fantastic.

    The dirty little secret is that foreign languages are not learned in American classrooms, whether at the high school or college level. The only university in America that is toying with a different sort of delivery model (aside from those at UNC that are driven by cost, not by the goal of making more students more proficient) is Drake University.

    I'm tired of hearing whining literature professors lament the demise of teaching lower level language courses. They don't want to teach them (boring!) and they know that this sort of instruction is ineffective. So why do they cling to something they do not enjoy and they know is not working? Because they fear for their jobs.

    Oh, that they would apply their collective brainpower to developing a better and more cost effective model of language instruction.

  • Hey Mark et al, I can't believe we're still chatting about this!
  • Posted by Jim Davis , Soon-to-retire French prof at Several on October 28, 2009 at 7:45pm EDT
  • Hi Mark et al.

    A (mostly) literature prof on an unnamed campus teaches French conversation using the out-of-print Foreign Service Institute manual: pattern practices, repetition, you get the idea. He quotes Robert Lado's Language Testing (1960) as if it had been inscribed on gold tablets dictated by an archangel. Nothing has changed in his view of how languages should be taught since he was a graduate assistant at H****** University in 1963. And, he's not the only one.

    Please, please, Mark, don't encourage these lit. faculty to "put their heads together" to find better ways of teaching foreign languages. Gives me nightmares just to think about it.

  • Online Elementary and Intermediate Spanish
  • Posted by Genevieve Breedon , FL Coordinator at Darton College on November 6, 2009 at 11:15am EST
  • The student inerviewed here obviously didn't have all of the information. Vistas Supersite has all of the resources for teaching speaking, writing, listening and reading Spanish. If anything, the online version has MORE speaking practice available with correction than the F2F class where there is only one instructor and 30 students. In class, there is maybe a 20-30 minute time frame for speaking opportunities. On the computer, students can practice over and over as much as they want, listening to the correct pronunciation and recording themselves to hear how they sound. They have the option to send it to the instructor for feedback as well. The Vistas Supersite has so much information, there is more available there than I can even use in one semester. I only WISH it had been available when I was learning Spanish.

    The students who do well in the online class are the same ones who would have done well in F2F and vice versa. The online version doesn't change the student. If a student is a procrastinator, he will still be a procrastinator on campus or online. Period.

    The online format is an exceptional chance for all of the people out there who constantly say, "I've always wanted to learn Spanish, but I just don't have the time." Well, now you can. You have no reason not to because it is so easily accessible. Think of all the time saved by not driving, parking, attendance checks, etc. on campus.

    If there are "old dogs" out there who don't want to learn new tricks, then it's time for you to retire. This technology is incredible and I've had exceptional outcomes with it. I suggest to everyone that they contact Vistas Higher Learning to ask about the Vistas supersite and Maestro WebSAM. You won't be sorry you did!