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July 16, 2009

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NATIONAL HARBOR, MD. -- Between the announcement of its purchase of an iPhone application yesterday, its acquisition of Angel Learning in May, and its recently released new interface, Blackboard has made significant moves to strengthen its hold on the the e-learning market. But many users aren't happy with the basics.

At an open "listening session" with top executives of Blackboard here Wednesday at the company's annual conference, college officials expressed frustration with many of the system's fundamental characteristics. At times, the meeting seemed to turn into a communal gripe session, with complaints ranging from the system's discussion forum application, to the improved -- but still lacking -- user support, to the training materials for faculty members. Participants' concerns were often greeted with nods of agreement and outright applause from their peers as they spoke of their frustrations with the system.

"Every time we have a migration [to an updated version of Blackboard], we have new features to figure out. You should be providing us workable faculty materials with your product," one commenter said amidst applause by those in the audience. "You put the burden on ourselves ... and then create the documentation and then train. That's why so many of us struggle to move forward to the next [version]. We are Blackboard on our campuses, and for us to be advocates, you have to give us the tools to be successful -- training." She emphasized that she would rather see more of a focus on fundamentals like training than updated versions of the software. The commenter also mentioned technical issues with the system that she believes need fixing.

"We recognize there are still some shortcomings in our products," responded Michael Chasen, president and CEO of Blackboard. "We also know that we need to update the architecture from the system, and from that point, we would be able to do a deeper dive to fix those issues. [The question is] do you do one-off fixes for [the old] architecture, or do you put all your resources into updating the architecture and then you come and plug those services afterwards?"

The questioner said that when small fixes aren't made, faculty members get discouraged. Another commenter told the Blackboard executives that it becomes difficult to argue to top level university administration that Blackboard is a "mission-critical" system when it continues to break in key places.

A number of speakers noted that customer service for fixing bugs in individual universities' systems has improved greatly in the past few months. One commenter from the University of Southern California, however, said that the service still has a long way to go.

"I'm not sure support has gotten to the point where it needs to get," he said, noting that nearly every time he calls for help he receives the same response. He proceeded to describe that response in detail -- the agent asks what system and service he is running, asks for root level access to his database, and then sends him an e-mail later telling him that the problem cannot be fixed and the case is closed. Most everyone in the audience applauded in agreement.

Ray Henderson, president of Blackboard Learn, who was formerly chief products officer at Angel, responded that he understood the issues, saying "Not enough progress has been made. I think you have highlighted a range of progress that needs to be be made. It's embarrassing, but solvable."

This is not the first time that Blackboard has been the target of complaints about its system or services. After Blackboard acquired Angel -- which some universities had switched to because of its stellar reputation for customer service -- many college officials who had used the Angel system expressed concern that their service would decrease significantly.

A number of other technical questions and inquiries about Blackboard's future were addressed during the session, but at the end many participants were still in line to ask questions at the microphone. Chasen concluded by expressing satisfaction with the conversation, saying, "This is how we get better as an organization."

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Comments on A Gripe Session at Blackboard

  • What is Blackboard's solution
  • Posted by Michael on July 16, 2009 at 8:00am EDT
  • Except for those hardy souls who are teaching either distance learning and/or blended class, what solution does Blackboard provide? Web page design system exist for people who lack even a high school education can maintain a web site.

    These system cost far less than Blackboard. Free services such as PBwiki and Typepad allow a course instructor to maintain a wiki and/or blog for each course.

    Blackboard is the equivalent of AOL and Facebook; a proprietary system that walls out users or, in this case, students and other faculty.

    Besides a drain on college and individual resources, why does anyone use Blackboard? It neither improves or hinders students' learning. What is the point of it? Save yourself time and your employer money. Stop using Blackboard.

  • Profit More Important than Learning
  • Posted by Paul , Arts & Humanities at LLCC on July 16, 2009 at 8:15am EDT
  • Blackboard gets more cumbersome and less user-friendly with every new version. Clearly the product of entrepreneurs and programmers, it was never designed with input from an actual educator. How it became and remains the de facto standard is a mystery to me.

  • Posted by Sheila on July 16, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • Blackboard's service levels might be improved if CEO Michael Chasen redirected resources from suing competitors or from the Bentley that he drives around Washington.

  • The complaints are always the same
  • Posted by Wilda , Instructional Support Specialist at SUNY Potsdam on July 16, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • I have been working with Blackboard for 9 years and attended many of their conferences. The complaints are always the same, poor support, lack of training, forcing people to new versions to get the fixes that they need and releasing new versions without proper testing.

    Michael Chasen always gives the same tired responses. The price for Blackboard is ridiculously high for the product the schools are receiving. Come on Michael get with the program make Blackboard the product that we are paying for and quit giving us excuses.

  • Blackboard woes
  • Posted by R. K-Drury , Assoc Prof at Northern Kentucky University on July 16, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Blackboard isn't required for online teaching. When I first started teaching online, I put materials on the site, only to have them disappear repeatedly. I now link through the site--but my materials are elsewhere--on my institutional and personal server space--outside the Blackboard site at my university. My gradebook is no longer online either--ever since an update completely changed the program, leaving me to learn it on the fly in the middle of a busy term.

  • Why Blackboard?
  • Posted by adjunct professor on July 16, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Do administrators or those who make the decisions about these expenditures ever ask first how new technology may enhance teaching and learning before they sink money into these "course management systems" and the "support" staff positions needed to implement them and keep them up?

    Michael also has a good point. Web developers--especially those who contribute to the development of Open Source software--should be consulted by administrators before they make these large outlays of money. There exist applications out there for a wide range of purposes that possibly could be used at a fraction of what schools are paying for products like Blackboard.

  • Lesson - Sales Model versus Learning Model
  • Posted by wayne guyette , Education at Tennessee State University on July 16, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • Foundamentally, Blackboard is a sales and profit driven company as it should be. However, it should also be fully responsive to customers. For some time now, it has not been and, instead, has elected to listen to its own marketing folks rather than its existing and potential customer base. I am in a system that several years ago rightly decided not to use Blackboard primarily on the basis of service and usability. That has proven to be a smart move for Tennessee. Looks like the Blackboard execs have not changed except to embrace its own sheltered arrogance a bit more.

  • Open Source Alternatives
  • Posted by Dennis G. Jerz , English -- New Media Journalism at Seton Hill University on July 16, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • We will never recover all the time we've spent massaging our original content so that it fits into a proprietary system.

    If, on the other hand, we spend that time teaching ourselves how to code (or at least how to use open-source alternatives designed by colleagues who can code), then we and our students will be better off.

    The key, of course, is making the case to our tenure and promotion boards that the time we spend teaching ourselves to create new instructional tools (to give away for others to use) is as valuable as the time we spend writing articles that five or ten people will actually read.

    I hacked together my own tools in the days before Blackboard and WebCT, and I've never felt comfortable with the loss of control that comes to yoking yourself to someone else's proprietary product.

    I'm looking forward with joy and relief, to my school's transition to an open-source alternative.

  • Switch to Moodle for the same offerings but better product
  • Posted by Jessica McKean , E-Learning Specialist/Manager at Alliant International University on July 16, 2009 at 2:00pm EDT
  • I spoke at the Moodle Moot about how we switched from Blackboard to Moodle in one semester after we were given an expensive ultimatum that would have cost us over $150,000 additional dollars a year. I will speak at the Campus Technology conference next week if anyone out there is interested. Our cost to host and run Moodle with absolute superb support through Remote-Learner is under $10,000! I am not a sales person for any company but 8 years of Blackboard was more than enough for me. In these economic times and with the endless complaints when using Blackboard, it was an easy decision for my university.

    We have now finished our first year of the Moodle implementation and the online tool has sky rocketed in usage by our faculty. Our staff use it now to save resources, time and money and our faculty, staff and students really are much happier and have expressed it.

    Email me if you are interested in my documentation that I provided at the MoodleMoot. jmckean @ alliant.edu.

  • Another alternative
  • Posted by Peg on July 16, 2009 at 4:15pm EDT
  • Another vendor also had its user conference this week. If the support costs for Moodle are daunting and/or you need a hosted solution, remember that Desire2Learn is still in business and, in our experience, doing a good job. Our faculty are finding the interface so intuitive that we have many more active faculty users than we have ever had trainees. And it sounds like Blackboard NEEDS the competition--isn't there supposed to be a invisible hand in the market that spurs innovation and improvement?

  • adjunct professor
  • Posted by DFS on July 16, 2009 at 5:45pm EDT
  • Your answer is "no." The administrators don't ask -- they just assume that anything new in the IT world must of course be sexier, and therefore more applicable.

    Let's just waste more money anywhere we can.

  • Why do people SO stubornly ignoring open source
  • Posted by Alicia , Visiting Professor at Union College on July 16, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • Like, say, for instance, Moodle.

  • We can't escape...
  • Posted by Brandon Murray , Computer Support Technician at Highline Community College on July 16, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • I work as a low-level tech at a community college in Washington that has been using Blackboard for some time. We had become so frustrated with the shortcomings of Blackboard, and had heard such rave reviews about Angel's customer service, that we decided to make the switch. Immediately following the email our administration sent out notifying the campus about our move to Angel, a faculty member sent a link to our entire campus directory that led to a news story about Blackboard just having announced its acquisition of Angel.

    "Seriously?! You must be &*%$#!* kidding!"

  • in the strange position of defending Blackboard
  • Posted by Joshua Kim , Senior Learning Technologist / Adjunct Faculty at Dartmouth College on July 16, 2009 at 8:15pm EDT
  • Sounds like a great session - sorry to miss it. Here is where Blackboard could demonstrate some new thinking by recording and putting this session online - and building a discussion around the issues.

    Reading the comments I find myself in the somewhat strange position of feeling the need to defend Blackboard.

    My defense of Blackboard:

    1. We underestimate the difficulty of robust SIS integration, grade center, and assessment. Web 2.0 tools do not provide these services, and I remain unpersuaded that open/community source platforms have either fully developed these tools or have the business model to keep developing. I'm willing to be persuaded here...but as of yet I have not seen this case made at the level of facts.

    2. I find the costs of BB remain reasonable as compared to both switching costs and in comparison to administrative systems. Sure...if we were starting from scratch I'd take a very hard look at Moodle.....but many campuses have been able to leverage Blackboard over the years to open up conversations about course design, teaching and learning.

    3. Finally, I see that the centrality of the CMS (BB, Moodle or whatever) will recede as the use of Web 2.0 consumer tools for learning grows. This will mean that the core parts of the CMS (SIS integration, assessment, grade center etc.) will grow in importance as foundational elements for learning. Again, I'd rather not spend scarce time/capital on switching where those resources could be invested in the promising Web 2.0 platforms.

    Just to establish my bona fides...I've blogged extensively on the weaknesses of Blackboard as a platform and a company - see:
    http://ccblog.typepad.com/weblog/2009/06/swot-analysis-of-blackboards-business.html
    http://ccblog.typepad.com/weblog/2009/07/bb-world-questions.html
    for a couple of examples.

    Josh

  • Posted by Moseby on July 16, 2009 at 9:15pm EDT
  • Moodle

  • Blackboard: eccentric, poorly designed
  • Posted by George on July 17, 2009 at 12:45am EDT
  • I couldn't agree more with what people are saying about free and open-source solutions like Moodle or WordPress/ScholarPress or Drupal or MediaWiki or ... Stop paying so much money to Blackboard and you could afford to hire some additional IT people who could tweak any number of open-source applications to do exactly what you want them to do.

    However, I'm also concerned about Blackboard's dominance for a reason no one's mentioned:

    Once students graduate from college, will they ever encounter Blackboard again? Probably not (unless they end up being one of the educators who tear their hair out in frustration over its shortcomings). Blackboard tries to emulate the functions of so many applications: blogs, wikis, email... But it does so in a way that provides no real insight into how the leading applications that are used for these things actually work. A student who learns how to use the wiki function in Blackboard, for example, will not be able to use, say, MediaWiki (perhaps the leading candidate for that category of application) if they are required to do so in the work place.

    So why not use the real thing instead of some watered-down, badly-designed imitation?

    Furthermore, online office suites are becoming so commonplace that using something designed specifically for education is starting to look more and more illogical.

    Something like Zoho, or Google Apps, or Microsoft Office Live already do most of the things that a class with online materials needs: email communication, document management, web page publishing, calendaring. Throw in PBWorks for the wiki, and you're good to go.

    Once students are used to these kind of online work environments, they'll be more competent at using them in the world beyond the classroom.

    Requiring the use of Blackboard instead of commonly-used online tools is like requiring students to read their course material off of weirdly designed (and proprietary) paper products with poorly formatted printed text instead of, you know, actual books like everyone else in the world reads.

    Abandon Blackboard!

  • Posted by Eric on July 17, 2009 at 11:45pm EDT
  • Personally, I think it's great that Blackboard Inc. has listening sessions like this. More vendors should have public forums where feedback can by relayed directly to product development and administrative leaders. That being said, I think it's important to recognize that there will always be certain users who gripe and complain - about anything. In fact, you can find users that will do that same complaining for other CMS's including: Sakai, Moodle, eCollege, etc.

    It think it would also be nice if Inside Higher Ed (and other publications) would equally offer up articles on all of the great sessions at the conference where Blackboard technology was highlighted (by clients) as an extremely effective and efficient tool for faculty and students and campuses. As one that attended the conference, readers of Inside Higher Ed need to know that this listening session was not the focus or overall tenor of the conference. Rather, the conference was full of more than 1600 attendees, from 680 institutions, including 45 states and 17 countries - all focused on coming together to share, learn, and connect around better leveraging Blackboard at their college or university. The conference included a multitude of client sessions demonstrating the high value of using Blackboard for enhancing teaching and for contributing to student success.

    Put simply, Blackboard powers the core business of an institution which is teaching and learning. There is a cost of implementing any CMS at a campus. Blackboard is a far less cost compared to SIS systems and it is a system that is used every day by students and faculty. It's a highly effective enterprise solution for many campuses that also place high value on online resources and education.

  • Sakai
  • Posted by Amber on July 18, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • Has anyone ever heard of Sakai (an open source alternative to Blackboard)? I just attended their conference in Boston, MA because our school is going to transition from Blackboard to Sakai in the near future. I was overwhelmed with how many things Sakai does and the alternative solutions it can provide. Just this one, free, open source software will combine three things (collaboration, student storage, LMS) into one for us! I learned so much and the "community" is so much more relaxed. Everyone is willing to share everything.

    Learn more here: http://sakaiproject.org/portal
    Also, you can set up a free Sakai site at: http://mysakai.rsmart.com/xsl-portal

    There is also a free online workshop on Monday August 31st 2009 from 12:30 - 5:00 pm to learn more and set up your own pilot course. It's really quite interesting.

    Just a recommendation for those looking for alternatives.

  • Blackboard
  • Posted by James on July 18, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • I've attended the listening session each year and it's unfortunate the blogger who wrote this article was only able to attend the one in DC.

    In Boston the session was so heated one individual was pounding on the table detailing her frustrations with Blackboard Support while others were screaming and turning red faced! Then in Las Vegas the tension was far more subdued and this year Blackboard was actually commended for providing improved support.

    Secondly, the posting above sums it up perfectly. Blackboard cost far less than our campus Peoplesoft system and doesn't have nearly the amount of issues as that "enteprise" system. But you know I don't see Oracle offering these listening sessions or actually driving product development via client feedback. Take a lesson Oracle!

    Finally, no one writes about how wonderful the conference was because beating up on Blackboard is the popular thing to do for a small, but vocal minority. Thankfully the majority know that these individuals are either two bit competitors looking for a few tiny clients who are easily swayed by cost or the equivalent of the quacks who believe the moon landings were faked.

    Good job Blackboard. Keep it up.

  • coverage of Blackboard
  • Posted by Doug Lederman , Editor at Inside Higher Ed on July 18, 2009 at 11:45am EDT
  • The commenter(s) above suggest that our coverage of Blackboard, as reflected in this article, unfairly focuses on the negative things said about Blackboard at the users' meeting. While this article highlights a session at which Blackboard invited users to complain -- which some of them clearly did with enthusiasm -- our reporters covered and wrote about other aspects of the meeting that show Blackboard expanding its offerings for colleges (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/07/15/blackboard) and that show academics using Blackboard successfully and happily (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/07/17/blackboard2).

    We strive to cover Blackboard like we cover everything: in an objective, balanced and insightful way. Don't hesitate to let us know when you think we haven't, but please consider the entire range of what we do.

  • Blackboard sucks
  • Posted by mbkirova , Eng prof at American University in Bulgaria on July 19, 2009 at 6:00pm EDT
  • I'm with Michael: "Blackboard is the equivalent of AOL and Facebook; a proprietary system that walls out users or, in this case, students and other faculty."

    And worse, I found it simply impossible to use when I was doing a course a few years ago. Okay, I'm a little 'ADD', but all I found was it being junked up with re:re:re: dumb comments and couldn't find any linear structure to get my work in or deal with the deadlines.

    Can't comment on the new apps, just know this dastardly BB was a disaster for me and many of the folks on my (all adult-- ie 30s to 50s) ) course. I had to quit because of it.

    So glad to see the crits here.. they match my experience.

  • Another reason to change
  • Posted by Greg Doyle , Health Science at University of Cape Town on July 20, 2009 at 4:45am EDT
  • At the recent Sakai conference (mentioned in one of the other comments) speaking to a school running Blackboard, one of their main gripes was they don't have control to any part of the LMS. If they want a new feature or a change to an existing one, they have to request it. And if they are lucky, it will be in the next version.
    Sakai, an open source product, will allow them to use what they are spending on licensing, on resources to customize an LMS to deliver what their faculty needs.

  • A Second For Sakai
  • Posted by Mark Van Dyke , Associate Professor, Communication at Marist College on July 20, 2009 at 11:30am EDT
  • Kudos to Doug Lederman for his response to criticism of Insider Higher Ed’s coverage of the Blackboard listening session. It's nice when an editor of an industry leader like Inside Higher Ed takes the time to listen to his readers.

    Doug, in defense of your coverage, you wrote, "We strive to cover Blackboard like we cover everything: in an objective, balanced and insightful way." That may be the case for your coverage of comments about Blackboard during the "listening session" described in your article. However, I think your "insight" into this issue might actually be shortsighted. I have no axe to grind with Blackboard -- and I know plenty of people are happy with the system -- but your article missed the boat when it comes to covering the number of people who have stopped "talking" to senior Blackboard "listeners" and have started to jump ship to other systems that offer advantages over Blackboard.

    Amber posted a comment about the recent Sakai conference in Boston. I couldn't agree more with her feelings about being "overwhelmed with how many things Sakai does and the alternative solutions it can provide." I, too, was blown away by the presentations at the conference and the excitement generated among the large number of attendees -- the most in the history of Sakai conferences. I suspect the large crowd at this year's conference (my first with Sakai) reflects the growing number of people fleeing the giant Blackboard monolith in favor of flexible, easy-to-use, and collaborative open-source learning systems like Sakai. I know from my experience in Boston that a significant portion of the audience was comprised of former Blackboard or Angel users from around the world who are looking at Sakai.

    To set the record straight, I'm not a marketing rep for Sakai or even a technical expert about the system. I am an end-user: a faculty member who just started using Sakai last year with my students. We and other end users at Marist College have been thrilled with the Sakai, which doesn't seem to have any of the downsides mentioned by Blackboard "listeners" and has many of the advantages they are seeking. If anyone wants to check my "balance, objectivity and insight" about this claim, just check out a presentation that some of my former students delivered at the Sakai conference, describing how excited they were about Sakai. You can view the slides at http://bit.ly/jgYju and http://bit.ly/zZQJa or view a screencast at http://tinyurl.com/lz46rd.

    So, Doug, in closing, to live up to your reputation for objective, balanced, and insightful coverage, Insider Higher Ed would be wise to follow up on its Blackboard story and write about where all the disgruntled Blackboard and Angel users are going. Check out Sakai!

  • Open vs. closed resources
  • Posted by George on July 20, 2009 at 2:45pm EDT
  • Eric writes, "I think it's important to recognize that there will always be certain users who gripe and complain - about anything. In fact, you can find users that will do that same complaining for other CMS's including: Sakai, Moodle, eCollege, etc."

    This misses an important and obvious point that people have been making over and over and over in this thread: if the tool is open source (like Moodle), then you can tweak it and change it to do exactly what you want.

    You cannot do that with Blackboard.

    Furthermore, administrators should ask themselves which is better: dealing with faculty who gripe and complain about a powerful and well-designed free tool, or dealing with faculty who gripe and complain about the very expensive Blackboard.

    If you have to listen to griping and complaining anyway (and I don't think that you do, given how much better designed most systems already named are compared Blackboard), shouldn't you at least save money while doing so?

  • BB and alternatives
  • Posted by David Carter-Tod , IT on July 20, 2009 at 5:15pm EDT
  • We're a BB client and I attended the BB conference, although not this session. I thought it was an excellent conference, very well run and had excellent sessions. Many, if not most, sessions were professionally recorded and I would expect them to be online soon.

    BB has made great progress in all kinds of areas, including connecting to other LMS, and Ray Henderson (former Angel head, now head of the LMS product at BB - http://www.rayhblog.com/) has committed the company to openness and improvement in many areas. The "Learn" / NG product is a great step forward.

    My sense of the conference was that the mood was very positive on all sides, including with Angel and former WebCT clients. As to the alternatives, for many institutions, the license cost is only part of the picture. Open Source is a great option, but it's "free as in puppies". There are trade-offs in choosing open source in terms of support and training and staffing. There are stories to be told on all sides that are worth hearing.

  • Blackboard/WebCT and Use after College
  • Posted by Betsy , Educator/special on July 22, 2009 at 1:45pm EDT
  • Blackboard (which was WebCT)was used frequently during my graduate program. I gained alot from it because sometimes other comments brought up points I had not considered. It also was a method to communicate with the professor about concerns (with private messages). My cluster was able to share web sites, books, programs about various things dealing with special education, literacy, and Response to Intervention.
    My daughter's college uses Desire2Learn. I was always impressed with the way the college utilized it, posting PowerPoint lectures that would be elaborated on in class (so students could pre-read), sharing important notes.
    I have heard of Moodle, but never used it.
    I imagine needs of college and budgetary needs drive choices.