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November 9, 2009

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DENVER — If professors record their lectures and put them online, will students still come to class?

That question came up in two different sessions at the 2009 Educause Conference here on Friday. And in both cases, the panelists cited research indicating that students’ likelihood of skipping class has no correlation with whether a professor decides to capture her lecture and post it the Web.

Attendance is much more contingent on whether the professor is an engaging lecturer, said Jennifer Stringer, director of educational technology at the Stanford University School of Medicine, at one of the sessions. “Well-attended lectures were well-watched; poorly attended lectures were not watched,” Stringer said, pointing to research she had conducted at Stanford. "If you’re bad, you’re bad. If you’re bad online, you’re bad in lectures, students don’t come.”

“Our students at Berkeley tell us that this is supplemental material, and it doesn’t affect their decision to attend class,” said Mara Hancock, director for educational technologies at the University of California at Berkeley, of her own research into the matter.

The technology known as “lecture capture,” which is offered in many forms by more than a dozen vendors, has been getting more and more attention in higher education as the software becomes more sophisticated and studies suggesting it could boost retention and performance continue piling up.

In 2008, 78 percent of undergraduate respondents to a University of Wisconsin at Madison study said they think having lectures available online would help them retain lesson material, and 76 percent said they believed it would help them improve their test scores. Meanwhile, two-thirds of the respondents to this year's annual study on undergraduate IT habits from the Educause Center for Applied Research strongly disagreed that having lectures posted on the Web would encourage them to cut class.

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Many professors, however, have been resistant to the technology. At Purdue University, which is attempting to put standard lecture capture technology in 280 classrooms by next semester, faculty members said they would not even be willing to press a button at the beginning of class to initiate the recording, according to David Eisert, the manager of emerging technologies there.

“It was a six-month discovery process just to figure out what the faculty wanted,” said Eisert, who spoke at a session focusing on Purdue as a use case for scaled lecture-capture deployment. “We said, ‘If there’s a start button on the Questron monitor as you walk into the classroom, will you hit Start for your lecture’ — ‘No.’ ” (The Faculty Senate chair at the university, via e-mail, declined to comment on the remarks, saying he had not heard from other faculty members about the issue.)

The faculty’s general unwillingness to work with lecture capture technology prompted Purdue to enlist the educational technology firm Echo360 to formulate a work-around solution that would require minimal cooperation from professors.

An audience member at the session said that professors could save their institutions a lot of money if they were willing to work with the technology even just a little. “If you’re just capturing the lecture and slides, you can do that for free with Keynote [presentation software from Apple, Inc.], and it syncs the audio with the slides — you can put it on iTunes or Blackboard,” she said.

“I went upstairs and asked you folks about lecture capture,” she said, addressing Echo360 president Mark Jones, who sat on the session panel with Eisert, “and I was astonished at the price. You can do the same thing for 79 bucks — all I do is press a button and record the lecture. I just don’t see the advantage.”

“The advantage,” answered Eisert, “is that if you ask your faculty to do that, a majority won’t.”

Nor were the academic departments at Purdue willing to shell out for cheaper lecture-capture alternatives out of their own budgets, he said. He would not say how much Purdue is spending to implement the automated technology in more than 280 classrooms.

Reluctant professors were not the only obstacle to deploying lecture capture at scale, said Eisert. Broadcasting to the Web what goes on in the traditionally closed environment of the classroom carries inherent security risks. Purdue officials submitted a security audit to Echo360 comprising more than 1,000 pages of potential hazards that would have to be addressed in the implementation.

Deploying a complex system campus-wide also creates pressure to avoid malfunctions, added Jones, the Echo360 president. “The minute somebody starts to rely on it, the minute it doesn’t work, there’s hell to pay,” he said. “…Doing that on the scale of in the classrooms, and the recordings — just moving the data around, we’re talking a tremendous volume of video, trans-coding, distributed back-end servers — so it’s not a trivial engineering challenge when you’re running it at that scale.”

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Comments on Fans and Fears of 'Lecture Capture'

  • Sneaking suspicion
  • Posted by Physics Prof at Big State University on November 9, 2009 at 9:15am EST
  • I have a sneaking suspicion that university administrations hope to record a professor's lectures, and then claim that the recording belongs to the university, not to the professor. After the professor retires or leaves (or is fired), the university can then continue to use the lectures, for free, forever.

    Just suspicious!!

  • The relevance of Lecture Capture
  • Posted by H. S. Rockwood III, Ph.D. , Professor of English, Emeritus at California University of Pennsylvania on November 9, 2009 at 9:30am EST
  • The concept of putting lectures on the net confuses me. If the only goal of a given class were to be some level of mastery of the content of a lecture, why have the class at all? The posted lecture would be sufficient and more convenient. If the class promotes something deeper than or different from the lecture, why post the lecture?

    In my 40+ years of college and university teaching, which included several classes of 325 students, I found every class meeting to be dynamic. An accomplished teacher will be aware that that some points need to be amplified and others to be truncated. A successful class becomes an experience, especially when some cooperative learning occurs and students ask questions.

  • re: Copyright?
  • Posted by Peter C. Herman , Professor of English at San Diego State University on November 9, 2009 at 9:45am EST
  • "Physics Prof" expresses my concern perfectly. I kept expecting to see the word "copyright" in this article, but it never appeared. "Suspicious," exactly.

  • contract
  • Posted by Kevin Range , Asst. Professor of Chemistry at Lock Haven University of PA on November 9, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • According to my contract, "In keeping with academic tradition, the STATE SYSTEM/UNIVERSITIES will not claim any ownership, interest, or share of the proceeds in the following types of Intellectual Property which are used or created for instructional purposes or as a result of scholarly activities: (a) publications, (b) textbooks, (c) educational courseware, (d) lectures, (e) recordings [video or audio], (f) original works of art, (g) fiction, including popular fiction, novels, poems, dramatic works, (h) motion pictures and other similar audio-visual works, (i), musical compositions, or (j) computer software." -- Article 39, B.2

    Does your contract not address intellectual property issues? If not, then I suspect that your lectures would be considered "work-for-hire", and the copyright already belongs to your employer.

  • It's all about supporting learner success...isn't it?
  • Posted by Debra Beach, M.Ed , Coordinator of Instructional Services and Distance Learning at Northwest State Community College on November 9, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • Making lectures available for review is a sound pedagogical practice. It allows students to review important content and give those learners who may have "learning challenges" or whose first language is not english the ability to play and replay the content. Why not post lectures before class so that time during class can be spent engaged in discussions around that content?

    In my work with faculty/instructors I have found that most like to continue doing what they are comfortable with, whether it is effective or not. Next, If it is true that most faculty use teaching methods that mirror their own learning preferences, then it stands to reason that not all learners needs are being met. I have seen instructors get very defensive when asked to consider changes in their teaching practices. Part of the issue is that it is human nature to stay within our comfort zone. The other issue is that of knowledge of current sound pedagogical practices. Can we ask someone who is a subject matter expert in their content area, but who may not have had a rigorous education in pedagogical/andragogical principles to practice effective instruction?

  • Posted by Conservative Faculty on November 9, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • Making lectures available for review is a terribly unsound pedagogical practice. So is any form of recording. When students think they can always get back to the recording, they don't feel the urgency to listen carefully and to take good note. As a result, we see a drastic decline of listening and note taking skills. We can already see the result of this change from the times when support staff of various institutions fail to follow the simplest directions--not because of any lack of intelligence, but because of the lack of good listening habits.

    Recording lectures, though, IS good for one thing: The surveillance of what goes on in classrooms. This way, parents, the media, political pressure groups can always watch over the professors' shoulders, so that the lectures will eventually become as bland and proper as commercially produced textbooks.

  • Free Speech has consequences
  • Posted by Idealist on November 9, 2009 at 11:45am EST
  • Interactive class rooms have become a norm in many schools. Recording lectures is merely an extension of the same. An institution and its instruction must be able to accept the possible consequences when and if recorded materials are basically opened to the public domain. Loosely controlled electronic media may add a tremendous amount of flexibility to the student and certainly will aid their success. On the other hand, the snippets of same recording may find their way into “You Tube” with some unflattering editing.

    Personally, I am not afraid or offended by recording of lectures. What concerns me is, once any recorded media finds its way to the internet, it will live forever; good, bad or ugly!

  • Waste of time
  • Posted by Chemist , Assistant Prof at Hamline University on November 9, 2009 at 1:00pm EST
  • So you want students to go to lecture and then watch lecture online, too? Get real! First lectures are of minimal real value given the data that retention is very low - even for the most gifted lecturer. A spoken lecture is very slow compared to reading text. I post powerpoints so that students can fill out their notes, but would not consider posting the lectures. Doing actual readings and problems is where the meat of learning is...the student has to do the work to learn. This is known from some of Mazur's work at Harvard.

    The main use I see for posting lectures is if you plan on not actually giving a lecture in the future and wish to have them available for an online course. I too have doubts about how effective such lectures are since I never give the same lecture twice, but reshape it as the responses from clickers come in and the questions get asked. The point I make about lectures is that they are a time for students to get explanations for what they didn't understand in the readings and problems. I don't see how to "can" that aspect of lecture for the net.

    As far as what is supposed to be effective methodology for teaching I have largely found a lot of hand waving about self-discovery, group learning, etc. And, I'm sorry, but when you look at the results there doesn't seem to be any particularly better or consistent solution. Many times what I see is that the instructor spends more time with the students when implementing a new methodology - and the time spent is the important parameter, not the method. (Additionally, if you don't publish it in peer reviewed journals, I don't bother to look at it!) It is possible to engage students using tradional approaches, too. If you put in the time you get results - seems to be the bottom line. Teaching, real teaching, is hard work.

    By the way, since I digress, if someone as the magic bullet for how teaching should be done, I would love to know what it is....

  • Recorded Lectures
  • Posted by Stanislaus J. Dundon , Philosophy and Environmental Studies at California State University, Sacramento on November 9, 2009 at 3:15pm EST
  • At one time I was horrified at the idea of having my classes recorded, especially if I was visible on the recording. But now we have the best of two worlds: My voice(no image), students' questions and opinions, my "board work" (i.e. Power Point, textual passages, student papers with "track changes" notes, on-line articles etc.)can be seen. It is a fantastic increase of resources one can bring into class. But for me what is priceless is student comments. I think, as long as students consent, that students themselves are enriched by hearing a dialogue, much like the Socratic dialogues in Plato. There are so many spontaneous bits of wisdom which would seem fake or contrived if the teacher reported them. But recently I encountered another unintended side effect. I had a four or five student rebellion in a Social Ethics class I was teaching at another institution (ironically-Catholic).I had made a "rule" for ethical policy formation that critical technical premises must have good social-scientific backing. The example I used was from a student paper asserting that boy children are just as well off being raised by two (gay) men as by married biological parents. My objection was that there are no longitudinal studies to that effect and it was not intuitively self-recommending and so could not be part of good public policy formation. In general I maintained that gradualness and caution are needed in social ethics much like in environmental or agricultural ethics where it is called "the precautionary principle." Since I am Catholic and a social-conservative, I was attacked in complaints to my dean for being sexist, homophobic and religiously biased. Fortunately the class had been recorded and students' voices could be heard advocating that scientific data are irrelevant and can be ignored if people are not comfortable with it!
    By the way "Speaker Box" is an inexpensive way to record classes and it keeps the files compact by taking shots of your computer screen once every five seconds. It leaves the screen and the movement of the mouse and highlighter a bit jerky but the file is reduced by 80%. One more nice point: If one is teaching a class on-line, one can give a lecture this way, which is much more lively than an all-text format.

  • different paradigm
  • Posted by Andy , assoc. prof. of physics at private liberal arts school on November 9, 2009 at 9:45pm EST
  • As a physics prof I've been trying to find ways to make my time with the students more productive. I use screen capture technology (jing, camtasia, camstudio etc) along with a pen tablet to post "lectures" that are really just me talking to my screen to cover the parts of the material I feel the book doesn't elaborate on enough. Then in class I deal exclusively with student questions, discussion, and examples. I've found that this paradigm allows me to go on tangents in the classroom because I know what I wanted to say about the content is already online.

  • Professors should embrace captures rather than push them away.
  • Posted by David Garbacz , Student in Computer Graphics Technology at Purdue University on November 9, 2009 at 9:45pm EST
  • I think it's more important to people who are involved in student activities or those who are upperclassmen that want to attend job fairs and the likes. I've gone to class instead of being involved in these opportunities because I need to get the notes and the professors refuse to post them online. I may have missed out on some great opportunities and talking to some great companies because of professors who refuse to post notes.

    It's not really that I retain the information better but I'd rather go to lecture, get the notes, and then use their notes as supplement, or not have to rush to copy down notes and really listen to the professor speak instead of trying to memorize page after page of notes. That's not learning. Students who do that are robbing themselves of learning opportunities and are falling into the age old issue of "teaching up to the test" There is a girl in my sociology class I'm in right now that is a sterling example of this. She'll ask questions about the upcoming test over and over, but guaranteed after she earns that A, she's walked away with nothing.

    Also I really wish that more professors would utilize recordings. It's extremely helpful for examples to supplement notes, especially when there are stories they tell in order to help clarify a concept.

  • Posted by Mike on November 10, 2009 at 11:00am EST
  • " If the only goal of a given class were to be some level of mastery of the content of a lecture, why have the class at all?"

    If the only goal of a given class were to be some level of mastery of the content of a textbook, why have the class at all?

    Equally ridiculous questions. Textbooks are an incomplete way to learn, recorded lectures are an incomplete way to learn, live lectures are an incomplete way to learn. That doesn't mean that having recorded lectures is pointless any more than it means that having a textbook is pointless - it just means it isn't sufficient alone.

  • Posted by Distance Ed Geek at tiny Community College on November 10, 2009 at 11:00am EST
  • Having spent way too many years as I student, I can confidently say that if they aren't going to attend a lecture, they sure aren't going to listen to a recording of it.
    That being said, it is a great help for those students who do attend, and how about those students for whom English is not their first language, they can listen as often as necessary. For large lecture halls where you are lucky if you can sit close enough to hear. For faculty who may also teach the same course online, it is a way for the students to see the faculty as well. And what if your institution has to close because of an H1N1 outbreak, or even a snow day.
    People brought up copyright issues, Unlike Mr. Range's system, we have the opposite. If you use their equipment to create it (regardless of what it is), It's theirs

    And lastly how is this any different from students who brought their tape recorders in back when I was a student?

  • Lecture Capture is just one more tool
  • Posted by TheEduGeek , Client & Media Services at Virginia Western Community College on November 10, 2009 at 11:00am EST
  • I started experimenting with lecture capture two years ago in my programming classes to augment my distance learning course, but also offered the option to my face to face class. What I found is that nearly every student still came to class every week. Grades were substantially higher on average both in my face to face class and in my DL class. I have no fear of the school taking my content since the content would quickly become stale and ineffective anyhow. The captured lecture isn’t the only part of my class. I still answer questions, respond to emails, meet with students and promote conversation both in class and online. That experience can’t be replaced by lecture capture alone. Teaching is a struggle, and takes talent. No technology will change that, but some technologies can improve on currently accepted practices. I’ll use any technology I can get my hands on that will let me improve the student’s comprehension and retention of my instruction.

  • I love the universality of faculty stubborness.
  • Posted by JimR , Producer/ Educational Technologies at UC Berkeley on November 10, 2009 at 8:00pm EST
  • Of all the factors required to pull off successfully archiving audio and video for roughly 28-45 classes per semester, the one seemingly surmountable one would be faculty cooperation - how jaded we, the educational audio/visual professionals, must be to think that a professor might be willing to add a single button push to the start of his/her lecture. Well they won't. Even with their existing legacy teaching materials, it's extremely hard to get these dogs to learn one simple, but new trick.

    One might think that for a person like me that there would be some job security here, knowing that there absolutely MUST be a point-person for a webcast class- however the underlying theme of this article seems to do with how one could webcast by total automation.

    This, in and of itself, will be the reason that webcasted classes *might* fail. I personally don't understand why any university that requires tuition payments would voluntarily put its content online for free; although it does explain why every university is trying to accomplish this by spending as little as possible. You know what they say - you get what you pay for.

  • Posted by Cameron , eLearning and Teaching on November 11, 2009 at 5:15am EST
  • In terms of the effect on attendance, the overall thrust of pre-existing research is pretty much saying that students stay away for their own reasons but if you run an interesting / interactive class and record it students are more likely to see what they're missing out on and attend.

    If students aren't attending because your lectures they are just summaries of the text book, or your presentation is dull, or your class interaction is minimal, or your use of Powerpoint just wrong, then fix the primary cause - your practice - don't further disadvantage your students by depriving them of a resource that might just enhance their understanding of your topic.

    In terms of what we know about how the brain works (eg Cognitive Load theory) common sense would suggest that recorded be mandatory.

  • rather weak article
  • Posted by Kaleberg on November 11, 2009 at 5:15am EST
  • All told this is a rather weak article. The administration seems willing to spend a LOT of money on a new technology that has lots of issues. There are the issues of media rights. There are the issues of workplace inspection and oversight. There are the issues of individual privacy. Hell, there is even the issue of faculty appearance and suitability for media which could lead to interesting discrimination cases.

    Even if the administration, as it claims, is only interested in providing a possibly useful added feature in its competition for students, once the recordings are made, all the issues arise anyway. After all, once the recording and possibly supervision technology is in place, there is going to be a temptation to get a greater return on the investment. I can understand the faculty being quite suspicious, especially as this techology undercuts a good many faculty perogatives.

    For example, professors generally consider their notes and lectures, as given, to be their intellectual property. Many a professor earns a few bucks on royalties from a textbook or two that had been based on class notes and lectures. Who owns this now? Is this a first step towards turning textbooks into work for hire as part of job duties? Are the administrators going to be using these recordings in evaluating job performance? Is the monitoring live or only recorded? How is the security for that managed and under whose control? What about student actions and statements which might be recorded? Who has what rights with regards to these? Will a court order be needed to access them? I won't even get into the possibility of new requirements for suitably telegenic professors which could turn into a problem, especially for female faculty.

    None of this seems to be addressed in the article. The administration statements are taken at face value, and it is assumed that there were surely adequate safeguards to prevent it from being used for anything beyond the stated uses, but no reason offered for believing such. Only one faculty member was contacted and asked for an official statement as head of the Faculty Senate, despite the fact that the Faculty Senate does not yet have a formal opinion. No other faculty were mentioned.

    The administration spent six months trying to figure out what the faculty wanted. The reporter seems to be completely unconcerned.

  • What about when people get sick?
  • Posted by Sam Leckrone , Student, Civil Engineering at Purdue University on November 11, 2009 at 10:30am EST
  • What if a student gets sick with something like H1N1 flu, and therefore has a legitimate reason to miss class? He's too sick to attend class, and doesn't want to make anyone else sick. He's under doctor's orders to stay at home. If the lectures were captured, it would be a great way for that student to make up anything he might have missed, when he finally gets better. In that regard, I would say that it's a great benefit to the students.

  • Students like it
  • Posted by Don Reed , Geology at San Jose State University on November 11, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • I have been making podcasts of my course lectures, exercise/exam answer keys and assignments for over 3 years. It is cheap, easy and requires little effort on the part of the university and faculty member.

    Just yesterday, the top student in one of my classes stopped me in the department hall to say how valuable it was to have the podcasts available when preparing for a mid-term exam earlier this week. Five weeks ago, another top student in the same class related that the podcasts were clear, easy to follow and useful in checking notes for accuracy. Both of these students come to every class and ask the most questions during lectures, yet they still find the podcasts helpful. A third student in the class with a full-time job, at a great distance from campus, uses the podcasts extensively to save time, cut down on commuting, and reduce his carbon footprint. A fourth student experienced a scheduling conflict between the class and work, so could not enroll, but is able to do an independent study under my direction, using the podcasts and online communication (Skype, discussion groups, and email) to learn the material and receive credit.

    I am currently involved in a project to capture the research presentations, but scaled to an undergraduate audience, of some of the top scientists in my discipline, which will be part of an openly available online archive to be downloaded and used in a wide variety of undergraduate courses. I am also planning to record discussions with leading scientists at the twilight of their careers to capture an oral history of discovery and scientific innovation in my field.

    Like voicemail, email, learning management systems, blogs, and wikipedia, recording lectures and making them available over the web will not go away. It is easy, cheap, and makes knowledge more readily available. Consequently, we need to make the best use of these methods to enhance learning and bring the best possible sources of knowledge into the classroom.

  • Great comments!
  • Posted by John Thompson , Associate Professor/CIS at Buffalo State College on November 11, 2009 at 11:30am EST
  • These have been super comments on the use of lecture capture technology. One only wishes that this electronic give-n-take could have happened live (and perhaps captured for later viewing online?) at EDUCAUSE in addition to the presentation about the research. The issues cited here only go to underline that we need to consider the wider potential ramifications of change before, during, and after such change is made. This "wisdom of the crowd" approach enlightens us all, providing a richer milieu for discussion and understanding.