News, Views and Careers for All of Higher Education
May 4
It all started innocently enough. We were an academic couple, constantly sharing our excitement at our students’ successes and obsessing about those students who were falling short. We would yak endlessly with all who would listen about why some students didn’t do what we asked on essay tests, even when we seemingly had made the instructions crystal clear. Or why a student would do only half the task assigned on a paper. Or why some students (despite repeated invitations) wouldn’t show up to office hours until the grade was a lost cause.
And we kept wondering what more we could do to help our students do better in our classes and get better grades. Eventually we came up with the idea of creating a pamphlet for students out of the various handouts that we’d developed over many years of teaching at some eight different colleges (between the two of us). But then, this idea took on a life of its own. And so now, some five years later, we’re awaiting the publication of our book, Professors’ Guide to Getting Good Grades in College (forthcoming, from Harper-Collins). Or, as the publisher (over?) promotes it, the “first instruction manual for the American college.”
While writing this book, we got lots of feedback from other professors and administrators. Much of the feedbackwas positive. Some professors told us they would love to assign the book to their students or to their first-year experience classes, and admitted to planning to crib tips from us. But others responded somewhat less positively. Since Jeremy is in philosophy, we were expecting — indeed looking forward to — some objections to our ideas. But we’d been expecting disagreement with the specifics of the tips we offered. To our surprise, though, the responses to our book often centered on the basic issue of whether professors should be focusing so much on grades, at all. We’d like to share the eight most common objections we received, and some of our best thoughts about each.
Objection #1:“Students are already too grade-grubby. Why rev them up more?”
It doesn’t take long for anyone on the college scene to encounter students who are extremely agitated about grades. Who hasn’t had to deal with students who are distraught, even to the point of sobbing, about not getting an A? None of us likes to see this. The question is, though, will grade anxiety diminish if professors try to downplay grades and avoid the g-word as much as possible? We’re skeptical. We don’t think college students will calm down about grades if we don’t talk about them (nor will teens will stop thinking about sex if we eliminate sex ed classes in high school). That’s because much of the grade pressure doesn’t come from us: it’s generated by personal, family, economic, and societal pressures over which we have no control (where we live, some parents even refuse to stop paying for college if their kids don’t have at least a 2.5 GPA). We feel that the best way to relieve anxiety about grades is to empower students. And that students will feel more in control of their (grade) destiny if we demystify the grading system and give them more, rather than less, information about what they need to do to get good grades.
Objection #2:“Students are already too competitive. Why feed the piranhas?”
On some college campuses it’s a dog-eat-dog world. In this world students can see good grades as a zero-sum game and walk over their compatriots to get them. Lynn has vivid recollections from her days as an undergraduate at Princeton of a student who burst into an art history seminar one day and announced to everyone that someone had stolen the notes for her class presentation. (No one was really sure if this was indeed a nefarious deed or just an excuse to get out of the presentation.) But here again, it doesn’t seem that avoiding talk about grades will help reduce the level of competition among students. Advocates of reduced competition might want to consider eliminating the use of grade curves (which really do pit one student against another). But this tactic won’t work in places where curves are seen as a safety cushion protecting the whole class from doing badly. In the end, it’s likely that the competitive types are going to compete no matter what we do (just like, perhaps, some of our faculty colleagues).
Objection #3:“College is supposed to be about learning, not about grades.”
Probably nothing bothers professors more (ourselves included) than dealing with students who are clearly in it only for the grade and have no interest whatsoever in learning. These are the students constantly asking, “Will this be on the test?” — with the clear implication that if not, they really don’t want to be bothered. These are the students who walk out of the final exam and throw their class notebook in the trash can as they go (and would throw their textbook out too if they couldn’t resell it at the bookstore).While we are the first to decry this sort of crass behavior, we feel that in classes that are properly constructed — with appropriate tests and paper assignments, and with an emphasis on skills, not just rote memorization — pitting learning against grades is a false dichotomy. Aren’t grades just a sign of the level of learning that the student has achieved? And if a student can get a good grade in a class without learning anything, who is to blame, anyway? Yes, it’s not pleasant to see students who seem to be motivated only by grades and not by the love of learning. But if these students really do end up learning, what do we care why they did it? And who knows, maybe some students in their single-minded quest for grades actually will get caught up in a love of the material for its own sake.
Objection #4:“The more professors talk about grades, the more students will be able to just play the professor and game the system.”
Any time you provide detailed information about a system, especially one that’s often kept under wraps, like the grading system, you provide openings for people to game the system. In our chapter on test preparation for example, we talk about how useful it is to have access to copies of old exams in that class. If a grade-savvy student were to gain access to old exams, study only the material on the exam (not one iota more), and the professor were to give the same exact exam again, then you could make a reasonable claim that this student had gamed the system. But then again, we professors are the ones running the system. It’s a fact of life that once we give a test, it’s out there. We can have every security system in the book, but there’s no way to prevent a copy disappearing here and there — not to mention what could happen if somebody used his or her cell phone to image the exam.
So if we get gamed here, it’s not the book about grades that’s causing the problem. Our book also gives lots of information about how to treat professors. And we talk in good detail about the grade payoffs establishing a good working relationship with your professor (rather than just being a butt-kisser, TL-er, or suck up) can bring. But what we’re trying to do is help students gain a better understanding their professors’ point of view so that they can be more receptive to what the professor is trying to teach them. We don’t and wouldn’t advocate any sort of manipulation. After all, we consider ourselves, and our colleagues, far too smart to fall for naive attempts to play us.
Objection #5:“Grades? What’s to say? I just grade by feel.”
Some professors have told us that they don’t really have any special grading system. They just read each paper or exam as it comes, and grade it, without any special recipe or template for grading. So they don’t think there is anything meaningful about grading that they could discuss with their students.We’re pretty sure, though, that anyone who has graded even a small amount has some criteria or standards that they are applying. At least we hope so. Otherwise our grading would be totally random, and there would be little difference between a professor (or TA) doing the grading and someone off the street doing it. But in fact we all have standards and in many cases the very same standards: if not, how to explain the recent art history paper competition in Lynn’s department, where three different art history faculty at very different stages of their careers, and in different fields, independently ranked a group of five papers in the exact same order. We think that most professors, after a modicum of self-reflection — could easily articulate their grading standards and share them with their students.
Objection #6:“I wouldn’t dare talk about grades. Anything I say can and will be used against me.”
There’s no doubt that in the litigious world of 21st century America, many professors have to devote way too much of their time to defending their grades against student disputes. Dealing with these disputes has to be one of the most unpleasant parts of the job. And we are well aware that frankness in discussing grades can lead to extra fighting. As a beginning TA, Jeremy had the not-all-that-bright idea to tell a student she’d gotten a C because most of the paper was B.S.; Jeremy then had to deal with a complaint not just to the professor of the course but the chair of the department. Lynn, who usually avoids talking about how the class did as a whole, got one of the most vehement disputes after she slipped up and told the class how great the papers had been. This, of course, made the one student who had done quite badly feel even worse than he would have otherwise (and led to a very difficult office hour for Lynn).
There’s no doubt that professors have to be careful about how they talk about grades. But that doesn’t mean that students shouldn’t be given a clear explanation of the grading system and standards used in the course. And that doesn’t mean that professors shouldn’t write comments on papers and essays that explain clearly why the student got the grade he or she got. Students deserve it. If given in the right way — in a spirit of empathy and without too much scariness — this kind of information shouldn’t generate disputes, and may even shut some down before they even get started.
Objection #7: “OK, we all know there’s no ivory tower, but is there no bottom?”
This objection is one we fully appreciate. Here we are, with years of training in our discipline, teaching on the college level — why should we have waste time (time that could be better spent teaching our beloved fields) to descending into the sordid details of grading? Isn’t this grade talk totally unbecoming for professors to get involved with?
We think not. But even if it were, there’s simply no way of getting around it these days. Many of our professors were able to get by turning a contemptuous nose at discussing anything other than scholarship. But few of us will be able to pull this off successfully with today’s consumer-oriented and information-savvy students.
Right. We got a little ‘over-negative’ here. We mean: refuse to pay.
Jeremy S Hyman, at 10:00 am EDT on May 4, 2006
Did you discuss “contract grading” — I have used it in Women’s studies classes and graduate classes where I do not want students to feel they must “repeat the party line” to get a good grade...but I want them to do A LOT OF WORK. I have contracts built in which an A requires a great deal of effort (I reserve the right to give an INC if they do not achieve the standards of the grade contracted for). Students often seem to work harder and also it removes some of the pressure of “grade grubbing"...there are associated problems (the rare student who “takes the professor for a ride")..but all in all, it seems to work well. Have others tried this?
Mary Ware, Assoc Dean, School of Education, at 10:25 am EDT on May 4, 2006
I appreciate the article and the idea of a practical and ethical guide to success at college.
The notion that grades are somehow not at the center of university life is weird. We profs got where we are by pursuing grades and being acknowledged as the best and the brightest thereby. We worry constantly about the pernicious effects of grade inflation and ponder policies to limit the number of high grades given. We may feel as though we’ve upheld standards and preserved rigor, but face-to-face with a devastated student, those principles are hardly comforting.
When we give awards to students for academic performance at the university, GPA is certainly a significant measure. Admission to honor societies, like Phi Beta Kappa, is grade-based. It’s the coin of the realm.
I think we don’t like it when students are anxious or desire good grades when we’d rather not reward those persons — if it’s a good student, someone we admire, giving them a good grade is proper recognition. We also despise students negotiating or challenging us. Being called to justify our decisions, however reached, is most displeasing.
I also think that reaching final grades on the margins is uncomfortable and sometimes agonizing. The 87.5 or 68.3 cases are very awkward, and the more so if we subsequently must cope with a crying or angry student. Balancing the evaluative factors in, especially when we know our students, and are evaluating, say, papers is not easy or exact. Often, we spend a lot of psychic energy on the decisions, want to feel that we;ve been fair and responsible — so, being challenged is all the more upsetting.
It’s grading and finals time at my university, and my colleagues are irritable, restless and discontented. It’s always so. We share caustic stories about student behaviors. We bemoan the state of the university and student priorities. We exchange absurdities that students have offered up. It’s really most unpleasant. Ironically, while we’d prefer all students to have done their job and achieved our goals, we also know that university norms expect our grades to be distributed, and virtually no one believes that a whole class of students, especially undergrads, can or would do well. Thus, the counter-pressure is to discover a full range of performance among our students — for an A to matter, there must be at least some C’s.
Finally, the scholarship process at my university drives this “grubbing” quite explicitly. This is a pretty expensive place — I cost each student over $2000 for 15 weeks of my wisdom during the academic year. And the big money scholarships are merit-based, and dependent upon students performing consistently and pushing their GPA higher each year. A cumulative 3.00 for the frosh year seems reasonable, but it does mean the student better not completely blow a course. It also encourages students to avoid risk-taking. We have pass-no credit fallbacks to mitigate that, but scholarship student must complete 27 graded units during the academic year. And the minimum GPA rises each year.
So, how could we make grades more important, especially for kids we recruit academically whose family could never otherwise afford this private school fare?
The culture of grade expectations has plenty of roots in perceptions of entitlement among our kids, habits of receiving good grades with modest effort, the belief that everything is negotiable, and other student-based behaviors and beliefs. But we are not merely acted upon here — our norms, behaviors and expectations feed this beast too. I’d much rather our students develop ethical and realistic habits to grade attainment.
So thanks to y’all for offering this resource for students — how grades are perceived and pursued matters a whole lot.
Mike Sacken.Professor of Education, TCU
Mike Sacken, prof of educ at tcu, at 10:50 am EDT on May 4, 2006
... there must be some ‘C’s!? That’s not true. There are almost ALways some grades of ‘C’but I’d have NO problem awarding ‘A’s to every student in class whose performance were excellent, as reflected by 90% or better on all the works and exams I required of them.
If your grading rubrics are solid and consistently followed, existence of a ‘C’ is not a necessary condition for the existence of an ‘A’. :o)
Harry Mills, at 12:10 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
I agree with most of your defense of openness about grading—-especially about the availability of old exams. But you may be too optimistic about grading standards. I have had colleagues who insist that they don’t need a system—-that they can grade exams without standards even when folks who grade beef use them. Several decades ago someone did a study of law school grading that found that a group of secretaries (as they were then called) could grade blue books more consistently than a group of faculty members who taught the same course!
Ken Graham, Professor Emeritus at UCLA Law School, at 12:50 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
I guess I think that the syllabus is the ‘contract,’ so there isn’t so much need for a separate agreement. And though there are plenty of external indicia of the importance of grades, one thing students often miss is the direct relation between the piece of work they submit and its grade. Students (at least many of the ones we’ve seen) see grading as sort of a mysterious ‘black-box’ operation — one which we’re trying to demystify in our book.
Jeremy S Hyman, at 12:50 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
I just submitted my final grades yesterday morning. These were promptly posted on the internet for the students. I wonder if other colleagues find that after a semester of providing convivial service to their students, they are now nothing more than jerks? I’ve taught at the college level for over 30 years now and recall that I had occasional grade disputes in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s — but nothing like I have to dread for the past few years! The millenials seem to be only interested in grades. Most recently, I counseled with a young woman who had illustrated on her final speech that she hadn’t learned much of anything in my class. She resonded, “I didn’t come here to learn anything — I came here to get a degree!”
Speech Teach, at 1:10 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
Grade inflation and the marketing of colleges and universities:
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~manhire/grade/BM050228_Final.pdf
Brian Manhire, Professor at Ohio University, at 6:00 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
A site we like a lot is: www.gradeinflation.com. (We talk about its findings in our Professors’ Guide.)
Jeremy S Hyman, at 7:15 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
“Aren’t grades just a sign of the level of learning that the student has achieved?” Of course not. At best they’re a sign of how much of the assigned information has been temporarily memorized.
Charles Muscatine, Professor emeritus, at 7:15 pm EDT on May 4, 2006
While I appreciate Mr. Muscatine’s suggestion that students memorize material only long enough to get the grade, it hardly applies to every discipline. Indeed, someone reasonably competent in designing assignments and exams will have no difficulty measuring student learning, as opposed to rote memorization, with some accuracy.
Perhaps it is because I am an optimist, though I suspect it has more to do with my teaching English, but I often find myself pleasantly surprised by student progress. How does a student memorize effective sentence structure? What will fade from memory of a technique that made assignments not only better but easier to complete?
Andrew Purvis, at 6:40 am EDT on May 8, 2006
A young 19 year-old sophomore told me Friday that she has “failed out” of this university as a result of one poor class grade this semester — a D in Sociology. (It’s her own fault, she didn’t do all of the work)
Her cummulative collegiate GPA is now 2.97 on 63 hours.
Her perception of “failed out” is based solely on her eligibility for continuing the merit based financial aid package she has had in place for the past two years. Without that package, she is not able to continue here.
I wonder why she thinks grades are so important?
Carson Turner, at 12:05 pm EDT on May 8, 2006
I think that a well thought out and well executed testing program is an important part of a course. I consider the grades I asign to be my professional opinion of how well the student has mastered the material.
Peter Wolfe, Professor of Mathematics at University of Maryland, at 9:45 pm EDT on May 8, 2006
Tests can certainly be designed to measure more than temporary memorization. Even multiple choice questions (most of what I use in testing) can be written to get at analytic skills and knowledge simultaneously. Students are amazingly motivated and talented for the most part, and occasionally a professor can assist the underachieving students in seeing the error of their ways before it returns to haunt them in their careers. That is our job.
Teresa Goodell, professor of nursing at Oregon Health & Sci Univ, at 12:30 am EDT on June 3, 2006
Hi. I have a few comments. I have a BS in biology and computer science from a small liberal arts college in PA. I also have earned a masters degree in Biomedical Science (took three years because of a thesis) and will be a 2nd year law student in the fall. Thus, since so far I have had 8 years of experience with professors from the student’s point of view I wanted to comment. 1) To those professors who constantly talk about grade inflation, not all colleges grade inflate. Both my sister and I attended colleges where plenty of students got B’s, C’s, D’s and F’s. The professors would often state that they make their classes impossible to get an A just to prove that there is no grade inflation present. Not to mention, when applying to law school when I asked if admissions wanted a copy of my graduate school transcript the answer was “no, it’s not necessary. All graduate program’s grades are inflated so it is no indication.” I’m sorry, but until this day I think that is ridiculous. I am SO tired of hearing about grade inflation when in fact I never experienced it. I think the result of the average GPA being higher is not that grades are being inflated. Perhaps it is from students having more college prep before attending universities due to increase in AP classes in high school and other sort of programs.2. The idea of the book sounds great. I wish it luck. I know that I was inidated with different tips when I entered college by all sorts of books and professor friends of my parents. Each student is different so who knows what will help them...and having another resource available is always a good option.3. To address the idea of the importance of grades. I just wanted to say that I know it’s frustrating when someone grade grubbles. I have never done that myself in college... most of the time I got what I deserved. However, the idea of being told “grades aren’t everthing” by teachers started for me in high school. I remember questioning my grades on things. Teachers would say “it’s how much you learn, grades do not matter.” This always annoyed me. Of course they matter!! You can’t get into college, grad school, jobs, etc. without decent grades. Why sugarcoat this? It’s one thing to say “Grades aren’t everything.” (It took me years to come to that realization). However, to say they do not matter and it’s how much you learn annoys the heck out of me. Often times I know there is no correlation between learning and grades (The class I learned the most in, I also worked the hardest in only to get a B-). GRADES DO MATTER.
Take this as you will. I have no objective in this post except to add some comments from a student view point. I have never even been to this site before and just happened to fumble upon it when surfing the web for something else.
JDF, Law Student, at 8:55 pm EDT on July 9, 2006
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Correction?
“(where we live, some parents even refuse to stop paying for college if their kids don’t have at least a 2.5 GPA)”
Many institutions would love to have students whose parents refuse to stop paying, whatever their rationale.
AKMA@disseminary.org, Prof. of New Testament at Seabury-Western, at 9:35 am EDT on May 4, 2006