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March 10, 2010

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Feeling isolated as an online student? Join the club.

Or rather, join a club. At a handful of institutions, students working toward degrees online are meeting outside of class via the Web. These extracurricular organizations offer online students what many feel they are missing: the social and professional opportunities that historically have been part of the college experience.

“When you’re on campus, you have opportunities to engage your faculty and your peers,” says Debra Ann Mynar, 39, an online psychology student at Pennsylvania State University’s World Campus. “When you do distance education, you don’t have those similar opportunities unless you make them.”

Mynar, a full-time business administrator by day, is the president and co-founder of the World Campus’s psychology club -- a completely online group that sprung up several years ago alongside the World Campus’s psychology program. The club, which has 124 members from far-flung states and several foreign countries, hosts online discussions and video lectures -- mostly focusing on career advice -- through the campus’s learning management system. It has even organized a meet-up in the virtual world of Second Life.

The club also holds video lectures and question-and-answer sessions with guest speakers from different fields of psychology, so online students can learn more about where their degrees can take them and what steps they will need to take to get there. The guests -- usually professionals affiliated with Penn State -- give the talk in front of a computer-mounted video camera in the office of Brian Redmond, the club’s faculty adviser, and students watching the live feed can ask questions via text.

And unlike many live talks held by traditional student clubs, the events are archived online for posterity. Aside from the occasional technology snafu, these channels have proven effective, he says.

“It’s a way to further their education and get them thinking about how to join social and professional organizations,” says Redmond, adding that being able to learn through casual interactions with peers is a major benefit of being part of an academic institution, and one that can be lost in the online environment, where students are usually only “on campus” when they are logged into the classroom.

“That feeling like you’re part of something or belonging -- with distance education you can really be isolated, so this is sort of like bridging that gap,” says William Wells, 45, also a co-founder of the club , who otherwise serves as a regional manager for a drug company in Georgia. “When you’re in Atlanta and going to Penn State, you can’t just walk down the hall to the offices and say I want to see Professor X.”

At the University of Maryland at University College, which boasts a number of extracurricular organizations, some clubs will organize face-to-face meet-ups for those students who live near the campus’s headquarters in Adelphi, Md.; members of the English and literary arts club have gone to plays together, and members of the history club have toured museums in nearby Washington, D.C.

But across the board, students seem to join online clubs primarily for professional reasons. Since many online learners are adults who are back in school because they want to advance or change their careers, student clubs at online universities tend to be career oriented, perhaps more so than their counterparts at brick-and-mortar institutions that cater mainly to young adults. Wells guessed that of the participants in Penn State’s psychology club, about 70 percent probably joined for professional reasons. At UMUC, 80 percent of club members said they joined primarily for networking and career building, according to a 2008 survey.

Nathan Decker, 32, serves as head of UMUC’s environmental management club when he is not taking classes or working his day job as a microbiologist at a food processing plant in central Washington state. Since many of the adult learners in the corresponding program are also established professionals, the benefits of networking with peers are potentially immediate. “A lot of people there work in the environmental field already,” Decker says, “so maybe [being part of the club] can help someone get a job.”

But the professional opportunities that the extracurricular clubs enable are not limited to networking among members. One of the main reasons Mynar and Wells say they helped found the Penn State psychology club was because being a member of a club is a prerequisite to opening a chapter of the Psi Chi, the international psychology honors society that advertises itself as a “springboard for professional growth.” Eight honors society chapters at UMUC recognize qualified online club members there.

Officials at the universities where online clubs have sprung up also see potential benefits for the institution. UMUC has made nurturing these organizations an explicit part of its retention strategy. The more students feel part of a community, the likelier they are to stick with an online program, says Shelley Hintz, coordinator of student engagement. Penn State’s World Campus, meanwhile, is planning to make the online psychology club there a part of its marketing strategy.

“We see retention improved through the use of any social networks,” says John Bourne, executive director of the Sloan Consortium, an online education leadership organization. “Clubs tend to form social networks, and those increase communication among students and thus retention. Less isolationism leads to [a greater] feeling of belonging.”

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Comments on Student Clubs, Virtually

  • Expanding definitions
  • Posted by Max Jackson on March 10, 2010 at 7:30am EST
  • Makes me wonder if current hazing regulations cover cyber bullying..... In florida it does not appear to be.

    http://www.stophazing.org/laws.html

  • Resistance is futile
  • Posted by michael on March 10, 2010 at 8:00am EST
  • I cannot figure out which is more annoying: the embrace of online or distance education or the lack of critical thinking when it comes to online or distance education?

    To express a preference for online or distance education is to completely and utterly ignore the research on knowledge development and dissemination that dates back to the Greeks.

    Online or distance education attempts to replicate the offline or physical education experience. There is nothing new in online or distance education.

    This trend represents everything that is evil and bad about American culture. We want everything cheap. We want everything easy or at least with as little exertion as possible. We want to reduce complex issues into simplistic patter.

    Online or distance education is a scam. The individuals enrolled in these classes do not want an education. They want credentials and they want it cheap.

    Administrators and public policy makers love online or distance education because the profit margins are so damn fat. Hire someone with a master's degree to run the whole thing. Why bother hiring an entire department? Faculties are expensive because knowledge is expensive.

    I have come across very few faculty members who could not teach and even fewer who did not care about teaching. I have met more students who simply do not want to learn, which is not surprising given America's open contempt for and hostility toward the development and dissemination of knowledge.

    And those toadies who slurp at technological trends should be fired and have their keyboards taken away. They are inflicting harm because they are ignorant about knowledge, about research, about pedagogy.

    They know an awful lot about press releases, which they regurgitate with glee, and flogging technology tools, which they accept for no price. They are walking / talking conflicts of interest. They are worse than the physician who accepts drug company paid junkets and then start pushing the company's wares to unsuspecting patients.

    These toadies should be fired.

    Where is the education media in this farce? Is it performing the same role the White House media did in the run up in the Iraq War? Is it performing the same role the business media did in the run up to the collapse of Enron?

    The evidence suggests that the education media cannot or will not look at these online and distance learning operations as the cash grabs that they are. The student loan default rates are extremely high. Research is starting to show that online or distance education, at best, matches physical education for learning. At worse, these places are nothing more than diploma mills.

    Who will be the first to act shock when we learn that one of these diploma mills is nothing more than Enron or Iraq?

  • A Digital Immigrant has Spoken
  • Posted by Jane Jarrow on March 10, 2010 at 9:45am EST
  • As I read through Michael's comments (diatribe?) regarding online education, I was struck by how discordant it seemed to be reading a condemnation of the virtual world and what it offers... in a virtual publication!

    I was going to suggest that Michael go read Prensky's classic articles on digital natives/digital immigrants, but realized that his mind is already made up and that he would not likely be shaken from his views by anything he reads ONLINE. Instead, perhaps someone should send him a hard copy of a list of logical fallacies. He may not need it, though. He seems to be familiar with most of them.

    The addition of online student clubs to online/distance learning programs seems so logical and appropriate that it is almost an "aha!" experience. The professional development nature of the clubs described is intriguing, but it leaves room for speculation about how undergraduates who choose online learning can translate the concept to the more social aspects of meeting and interacting with their peers. Is there a virtual Ski Club out there somewhere? I am sure there is. The question is whether there is benefit to keeping such social interactions within a closed group (students enrolled in a given online program) or whether online "belonging" for social reasons is just as well served by open membership throughout cyberspace.

    I am particularly impressed with the idea that the institutions have embraced these virtual student organizations and given them the same status and support (including a faculty adviser!) as is afforded to groups on campus. It sounds as though someone has embraced both the reality and the potential of online education in today's world.

  • Have the money? We have the degree!
  • Posted by Saint Peter , Everyone Gets an A Dept. at Degree Mill University on March 10, 2010 at 2:15pm EST
  • In response to Jane and Michael I will briefly say they are both correct.

    Online education does work if it is managed as a department with the proper academic professionals in place. In addition, the faculty must also be experienced or certified (meaning having learned through course work) in teaching for the online environment. Having brick-and-mortar teaching experience doesn't automatically translate to the online classroom. Finally, the key ingredient would be motivated students who were required to pass a certain standard in order to be enrolled in a college-level classroom. This means no "Open Enrollment" but a score perhaps equal or just above the State average on the SAT or ACT.

    There is an article somewhere on Inside Higher Ed that correctly states that some people just are not cut out for college--and that's OK because the world will not end nor will Civilization fade away. There are plenty of people who function quite well without a college degree. At worst, refer to the Epsilons (and other castes) of Huxley's Brave New World.

    However, Charles Moran in "Technology and the Teaching of Writing" did point out that "online discourse can and does get out of hand, apparently more rapidly than face-to-face discourse." The responsibility, just as in the real classroom (as opposed to the virtual classroom), still falls on the instructor and "what kind of moderator he or she will be" (Moran). A strong instructor will have direction, purpose, transparency with curriculum, and clear, yet attainable, expectations and standards. Despite having clear direction such as a brainstorm session, or a socialistic issue to address and solve during an online session, the students cannot be unmotivated At-Risk students or students of the Entitlement Generation because then we have situations as Michael brought up in the earlier posting. Without Open Enrollment, where many degree mills such as Kaplan, National American, or Colorado Tech (to name but a few of the hundreds of online university options) make their money and enrollment, then Jane's situation is not Utopian but a reality that has, will, and does happen with universities--though I can't name one at this time.

    Finally, what has been happening in the secondary-level since the inception of Leave No Child Left Behind (Spring 2002) is now bearing its sour fruits in college eduction today in a bounty. Eventually, business leaders will come out again, as they do every twenty years or so, and say that colleges are graduating students not prepared for a professional career. Again, we Americans will look at other countries to see what they are doing successfully. Unfortunately, we'll find that all countries don't subscribe to the Entitlement Age and hold both teacher AND student accountable for their education. As usual, an obvious answer that we Americans ignore because it requires effort and--in this day and age--it might hurt someone's feelings.

    As for online students wanting online clubs, again this applies to students who are motivated to succeed as seen by their 25+ ACT score and how involved they were in their community as high school students (attending a college-prep high school) with at least one parent having a college degree. At-Risk students could care less of online clubs unless they can get something out of it: extra credit (because everyone gets an A), reduced tuition, or possible leads to a job so they can either drop the courses or impatiently plow through the remaining course work just to get a certificate. So yes, both Michael and Jane are correct but as Obi Wan told Luke in Star Wars VI (I paraphrase the scene) "I did not miss lead you. It is all a matter of perspective."

  • The blessing of virtual mortality
  • Posted by Scott on March 10, 2010 at 2:30pm EST
  • An earlier posting by someone whose ignorance is exceeded only by the state of his bliss with his condition represents evolution in its purist form. Learning takes place in many contexts, and it fails to take place in those same contexts. Idiots graduate from the best and worst of them. Distance education can be scammed, as can freshman comp in a class of 300 at the university of (add public megaversity of your choosing). Likewise, very bright individuals teach and learn on-line, in concert with their colleagues and peers rather than in competition with them, and they are obliged to bring more self-discipline and personal initiative than they do pom-poms and keggers. I would say to Michael "Get a life," but it's too late. Thanks to the wonder of technology, he's already gone.

  • don't blame the technology, blame the oversight
  • Posted by Carter on March 10, 2010 at 2:30pm EST
  • Don't listen to people who have never taken a rigorous online class. They're living in the past. In my class, you HAVE to do the reading and apply it every week. And then provide intelligent commentary on what everyone else wrote. It's like doing several reviews of articles each week in addition to the readings and other assignments. In my face-to-face class I could sit in the back, not participate, or just not show. There are no absences in an online class. I'm in a graduate program and it is more work and a LOT more interaction with classmates and the professor because we're online just about every day. It's a mush more interactive environment than when I was in a face-to-face class. The problem is that some online diploma mills skirt the rules, don't provide an education, and get rich. They should be shut down. But don't let the stone-tablet crowd make this a technology issue. It's an oversight issue. Schools with online programs need to be regulated and accredited, just like all the others.

  • Relationships
  • Posted by Bob Barker , Chief Executive Officer at Chancellor University on March 10, 2010 at 2:30pm EST
  • Although by no means an expert, it has been my observation that students who have a connection with their respective College/University tend to persist at higher rates. Whether it be simply socializing with their peers or having regular and meaningful communications with student services, the effect on graduation rates are typically quite positive. The key is to develop a relationship with each and every student so that they all know that they are connected to the institution outside of the virtual classroom environment as well.

  • Resistance to online learning.
  • Posted by Joe , Instructional Technologist on March 10, 2010 at 4:15pm EST
  • Let me start off by saying that having many ways for students to connect to one another is the best possible solution for the students. For many commuter students (I was one during my undergrad), it is difficult to meet people when you are driving to and from school. Especially now that money is getting tighter and the price of travel is going up. On the flip side, there is nothing better than actually being able to meet people face to face.

    Now, on to what Michael said.

    You are an internet troll. (Even though I hate using it, Wikipedia has the best definition for those who do not understand the term http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) But, I'm going to bite.

    First of all, you try linking online education to a political point of view. Unfortunately, your argument makes absolutely no sense and you are not critically thinking about online and distance learning.

    "This trend represents everything that is evil and bad about American culture. We want everything cheap. We want everything easy or at least with as little exertion as possible. We want to reduce complex issues into simplistic patter."

    This leads me to think that you are not an IT person. An IT person would realize that the upkeep on server farms, computer labs, and students' PCs, Macs, laptops, and/or netbooks is not cheap. Everything will/must be upgraded at some point in time. This is not including the software packages that must be bought by all parties involved. There is also the unseen expenses of electricity. When you stop to think about how much has to be paid for, online learning is not cheap.

    "Online or distance education is a scam. The individuals enrolled in these classes do not want an education. They want credentials and they want it cheap."

    Depending on what institution a person is enrolled for their education, online learning CAN be cheaper. Many brick and mortar schools are looking to reduce prices, but many are looking for more ways to reach students that can't otherwise attend live, on-campus classes. Are some of these schools, colleges, universities looking to make more profits with less overhead? Sure. But, I work with online and distance learning because I believe in allowing people to get an education that they are comfortable with.

    The students that I know and have attended classes with have taken online classes because they have full-time jobs, families, and/or live too far away from an institution that offers the program that they would like to earn a degree in. And guess what? Those classes cost the exact same as the on-campus ones.

    "I have come across very few faculty members who could not teach and even fewer who did not care about teaching. I have met more students who simply do not want to learn, which is not surprising given America's open contempt for and hostility toward the development and dissemination of knowledge."

    I've had many faculty that love to teach and are very good at it. I've had many that were terrible and had no business teaching period. Luck of the draw for what classes a person takes. That's why there are class reviews/surveys at the end of the semester. If a faculty member has enough complaints from students, then it is up to the institution to rectify the problem. As for the students being apathetic about their education, this is a trend that starts in elementary school. We as a country must make change this when the students are children.

    "The evidence suggests that the education media cannot or will not look at these online and distance learning operations as the cash grabs that they are. The student loan default rates are extremely high. Research is starting to show that online or distance education, at best, matches physical education for learning. At worse, these places are nothing more than diploma mills."

    I'd love to read this evidence that you are talking about. Can you please link to articles or let me know where you found this evidence?

    You really want to know why the student loan default rate is so high? Go talk to the folks in Detroit. Go talk to the folks along the Rust Belt in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania. Talk to all of the people who were told to go to college with the promise of finding jobs when the finished. The default rate is tied to the economy that has flopped.

    Are there diploma mills? Yes. There are many institutions that promise a great education through online or distance learning and claim that their accreditation is the absolute best. The truth is that anyone looking into any type of education should do their research before signing up and getting fleeced.

    Michael, it sounds like you have never taken an online class, have taken an online class with a faculty member that shouldn't have been teaching online, or you are trying to link many things together that have nothing to do with each other. Call me a "toadie" if you want. That's fine. Most of my Master's of Education classes were online. Yes, my program was from a brick and mortar school. I also have 7-8 years experience working with and supporting many different modes of online and distance education. More times than not, I have seen the few thousand classes I have supported work for the benefit of the students and faculty members' satisfaction.

  • Back to the topic: online student communities
  • Posted by Bud Burkhard on March 11, 2010 at 8:00pm EST
  • It is striking that none of the comments actually addressed the topic of the article, which is online clubs.

    Regarding the founding and success of the online club in history at UMUC back in 2001, please see my
    article in the Perspectives of the American Historical Association, May 2007, available at http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/issues/2007/0705/0705tea1.cfm?RefBy=e070503

    A recent dissertation by Linda Ruggles examines the effectiveness of online student communities using the UMUC history club and honor society as her primary focus.

    Bud Burkhard, academic director for UMUC History, 1999-2006