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October 23, 2009

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Today’s college graduates do not exhibit as much professionalism as their employers expect of them, according to a new study from York College of Pennsylvania.

As part of the small liberal arts college’s effort to rebrand itself as a place where “professionalism” is cultivated, its newly created Center for Professional Excellence commissioned a survey of more than 500 human resources professionals and business leaders to gauge not only what they think “professionalism” means but also how well the recent college graduates they have hired exhibit it.

The results of the survey, released Friday, suggest that colleges need to change how they prepare their students for the working world, particularly by reinforcing soft skills like honoring workplace etiquette and having a positive demeanor.

The survey indicates that “there is a widely held sentiment that not all college graduates are displaying professionalism upon entering the work force.” More than 37 percent of the respondents reported that “less than half of [the recent graduates they have hired] exhibit professionalism in their first year." The average employer indicated that slightly more than 51 percent of his or her recent hires exhibit “professionalism.”

In clarifying what exactly this means, about 88 percent of the respondents “think of professionalism as being related to a person rather than the position.” To that end, the traits or behaviors mentioned most by the respondents as being characteristic of professional employees were “personal interaction skills, including courtesy and respect"; “the ability to communicate, which includes listening skills"; “a work ethic which includes being motivated and working on a task until it is complete"; and “appearance.”

Similarly, the traits or behaviors most associated by the respondents with “unprofessionalism” included “appearance, which includes attire, tattoos, and piercings"; “poor communication skills including poor grammar"; “poor work ethic"; and “poor attitude.”

To further define the gap between employer expectations and student realities, the study asked respondents “to rate traits according to both their importance when considering a person for a position requiring professionalism and the extent to which they are present in first year college educated employees.” Upon analysis of these on a matrix, the study notes that the quality most prevalent in new college graduates -- “concern about opportunities for advancement” -- matters the least to employers.

Among the traits or behaviors employers value most, and that they believe are most deficient in the recent graduates they have hired, include “accepts personal responsibility for decision and actions," “is able to act independently," and “has a clear sense of direction and purpose.” The study notes that colleges need to put a particular focus on imparting these traits to their students.

Still, there is some indication that not everyone surveyed believes the “professionalism” of their recent graduate hires has significantly declined in recent years. More than 53 percent of the respondents reported the percentage of those exhibiting “professionalism” has remained the same over the past five years. Nearly a third, however, indicate that it has taken a nosedive in recent years. The most popular reasons for this grim outlook include “an increased sense of entitlement,” “new cultural values,” and “a changed work ethic.”

David Polk, the professor of behavioral science at York whose research group conducted this survey, said he was unsure how much the responses indicated some sort of “generational phenomenon,” acknowledging the age-old disappointment adults throughout history have often expressed in the younger generation. He noted with disappointment that the survey failed to ask the ages of those responding. Still, he noted that, generally, those responding were significantly older than the recent graduates they were asked to assess.

“One of the things you’ve got to ask yourself is, are we just a bunch of dinosaurs looking at young people saying, ‘What I’m seeing here is inappropriate,’ ” mused Polk, who made sure to note he was 61. “Are the changes in attitude here generational or are they lifestyle changes? Will you people eventually take on conservative professionalism or have things just changed? We’ll have to do more studies to find out. For instance, the freewheeling baby boomers of the 1960s are the ones who filled out our survey today. We can be sure which it is with just this one study.”

Polk’s students, who have been discussing his research findings in class, are of two minds about what employers are saying about their generation. On one hand, Polk said he has students balk at the notion that certain tattoos or piercings might make them seem “unprofessional.” Conversely, he said nearly all of them admit to having a greater sense of “entitlement.” While Polk said that most students did not think of this as being problematic, he expressed some concern in this attitude.

“We tell our children, ‘You’re all worth something,’ and ‘None of you are losers,’ ” Polk said. “I’ve asked my class, ‘Do you really think you’re all winners in everything?’ I mean, you’ve got to be mediocre in something. This attitude that everyone’s going to play on the team and that everyone is going to be recognized for something is out there. It’s great that people have positive self-esteem, but I can’t help but think that we live in Lake Wobegon [the fictional town of A Prairie Home Companion fame], where every student is ‘above average.’ ”

Despite this, Polk offered a number of suggestions about what colleges can do in the classroom to improve the “professionalism” of their graduates.

“I think if you can get professors to buy into the concept, which is critical, then professors can serve as role models,” Polk said. “For instance, the last thing I would do is wear blue jeans to class. I think that’s unprofessional and not something I’d wear in a position of presumed authority. … Also, some professors will say, ‘Just call me by my first name.’ There's no way I think that’s proper behavior in my classroom. It creates this wonderfully false impression that professors are less authority figures than they are friends.”

Professors can lead by example in other ways, too, Polk continued.

“Let’s just ignore parents for a second, and let’s call students out on improper behavior in the classroom,” Polk said. “You’ll probably notice from the study, a lot of what people are talking about here is soft skills like attitude, demeanor and respect. As a professor, most of us see our jobs as conveying knowledge and making sure our students comprehend it. I’m not sure how many would respond that it is also their job to help a student develop good behavior. There’s this moral authority that some professors get uncomfortable with. For this to work successfully, when a professor calls out a student’s behavior, the administration should be there to back them up immediately and say, ‘Your behavior is wrong.’ ”

In the meantime, York’s Center for Professional Excellence has gotten in on the act. It will host a number of seminars throughout the academic year with employers talking about expectations of their employees and other workplace issues. Polk said he would like students to be required to attend a certain number of these seminars throughout their college careers. Additionally, he noted he could see the potential for York to create something akin to a general education course focusing on “professionalism.”

“If we can truly embrace this thing, it’ll be a major challenge,” said Polk of York’s effort to rebrand itself. “I can just see me going to faculty and saying to them, ‘Your blue jeans are inappropriate,’ and them telling me where I can go."

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  • Not dress codes again
  • Posted by mkt on October 23, 2009 at 7:00am EDT
  • Meh. I'm reminded of the mini-furor a couple of years ago <http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/08/22/dress> when Illinois State Univesity's College of Business instituted a dress code. Encouraging student behavior such as punctuality, responsibility, etc. -- fine. Even a limited use of dress codes, such as for certain class events such as presentations, mock job interviews, etc. -- also fine.

    But for a professor to think that he is doing a better job by not wearing blue jeans to class -- laughable. The most casually dressed professors that I've seen -- and also some of the most brilliant and successful -- were at MIT. Let's tell those MIT profs to ditch the blue jeans, yeah that'll finally get them on the right track.

  • dresscode / manners / courtesy / work ethic, etc.
  • Posted by hans susser , chef instructor / faculty at LCBM on October 23, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • it is hard for me to consider somebodies comments as serious who believes that some MIT professors with a lack of proper social skills (i.e. knowing how to dress properly and/or act respectfully and appropriate for the occasion and the environment) represent the majority of professionals across the nations.

    laughable? of course, if you miss the point.

  • Pet peeve: Lack of Commitment
  • Posted by Sheila Curran , Career Strategy Consultant at Curran Career Consulting on October 23, 2009 at 7:45am EDT
  • My pet peeve is that the majority of students seem to think that a "yes" RSVP is an indication of interest in an event at the time the RSVP was submitted, and not a firm commitment. This lack of commitment is disrespectful (and often wasteful of food) when the student is in school, because the groups planning the event may have highly inaccurate information on potential attendance. When the graduate enters the work world, the failure to commit to what you say you're going to do can be disastrous to your career. We need to set expectations much more clearly in the academy. Teaching professionalism is a true service to students.

  • Yet an adjunct cannot tell a student...
  • Posted by Mrs. Exposition on October 23, 2009 at 8:45am EDT
  • ...not to answer her cell phone during class without fear of losing her job. Did you all see that item on these pages a couple of days ago? Apparently, the adjunct made the request in a "harsh" tone of voice. The student complained, and now the adjunct is living in fear. Students are our "customers" and we must keep them happy!

    Hmmm. Let's see. What about this scenario, repeated 10 to the 24th power times in every college and university in the nation over the past 10 years, could be producing a crop of unprofessional graduates? Maybe you can tell me.

  • Professionalism
  • Posted by Irene Johnson , Librarian at Pearland High School on October 23, 2009 at 8:45am EDT
  • First, let me say that I read this online publication with great interest. I work with seniors in high school. It is interesting to view the issues in higher education that my students will face. We have a wonderful career/tech department that consistently works with students on their professionalism in the work place. I, too, have worked with students in job shadowing experiences, so I have taught such things as workplace etiquette, including appearance, attitude, etc. I believe it is true that some of the shift in observed behaviors is generational and a matter of maturity. However, regardless of the reason, the issue does need to be addressed directly in classes for change to occur. My daughter recently graduated from a university in Texas which did address some of the topics mentioned by employers in this article. She was a finance major. I am sure that her demeanor was positively influenced by her professors in this area.

  • Another study in this vein
  • Posted by Russ on October 23, 2009 at 9:45am EDT
  • " .. Conversely, he said nearly all of them admit to having a greater sense of “entitlement.” While Polk said that most students did not think of this as being problematic, he expressed some concern in this attitude."

    http://www.kenan-flagler.unc.edu/news/alumniMag/2009fall/facultyresearch01.cfm

    " .. Gen Y has been referred to by the business community as having a sense of entitlement, “that the world owes them something,” Rosen says. His survey revealed that Gen Y assumed that by getting a college degree they had earned the opportunity for a good job, and the economy had taken that opportunity away from them.

    “They’re very unhappy about that,” Rosen says.

    That sense of entitlement was not appreciated by many employers, and the seller’s employment market may nudge Gen Y closer to the attitudes of Gen X and baby boomers, who understand that they must earn their keep and not be too choosy about work. “It might foster a stronger work ethic and greater loyalty,” Rosen says.

    ###

    There are some great students -- you known they will make it, in a great way.

    There are also some really awful students (MIT?) -- shouting, belching, crude slackers. Who are never challenged because administration worries about (1) enrollment or (2) threatened lawsuits.

    Result: enrollment "death spiral," as average students, repelled by the obvious lack of strong leadership and minimal standards, do not return.

    One gets what one deserves.

  • underlying conservativism
  • Posted by soc3 on October 23, 2009 at 10:00am EDT
  • I'm interested in reading the study and confirming a hunch I have about it...that there is a very conservative underlying argument being made here.

    Why should we be afraid of the next generation of workers feeling a sense of entitlement? Shouldn't we be hopeful that some of the ills and injustices in our economic system will be righted? Do employers want professionalism or really just obedience and passivity? As to the explicit instructions for how to be a proper professor, they seem incredibly superficial..I'd rather have students awed by a professor's knowledge than by his/her authoritative style.

  • re:
  • Posted by PS on October 23, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • In terms of the younger generation being "unprofessional," who are they being compared to? It certainly can't be the baby boomers, who are much less professional. This is the generation, after all, that wore their suits to work, were obsessed with titles and the number of admins they have, were polite, drove big giant SUVs and other nice cars, and were solely focused on their salaries over public good. Pretty professional, but what was the result? Lehman brothers, Tyco, Worldcom, Merrill Lynch, the worst financial disaster since the great depression, little attention to the environment, prisons and malls that are nicer than schools, and a conservative policy approach that leaves massive debt to their own children and grandchildren. When a community builds a new prison that has nicer facilities than a child's school, what is that child supposed to think about how society thinks about them? What are the Gen Yers supposed to think of how society feels about them when it will leave them with nothing but burdens, debts, and an environment to clean up? The clear message from the older generation is to be self-centered.

    Gen Y'ers are not a burden; they are our only hope. Rather than criticizing them, we should appreciate their differences, encourage them, and give them hope. Goodness knows this generation will have a big mess to clean up after the previous generation.

  • Get real, please
  • Posted by J.J. on October 23, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • " .. Do employers want professionalism or really just obedience and passivity?"

    Is it being suggested, that these folks are "passive?"

    http://www.noi.org/

    Hardly. To those who have spent time in Hyde Park.

  • Posted by Adjunct George on October 23, 2009 at 10:30am EDT
  • To Soc3: Magical thinking is soooooo nice. You don't have to worry about what happens when the students actually go out to get a job. I would wear a suit to class if other professors acted more professional and dressed the part of a role model. What do those who hire people for work expect? One paragraph said it very well.

    ""Similarly, the traits or behaviors most associated by the respondents with “unprofessionalism” included “appearance, which includes attire, tattoos, and piercings"; “poor communication skills including poor grammar"; “poor work ethic"; and “poor attitude. .................

    Among the traits or behaviors employers value most, and that they believe are most deficient in the recent graduates they have hired, include “accepts personal responsibility for decision and actions," “is able to act independently," and “has a clear sense of direction and purpose.” The study notes that colleges need to put a particular focus on imparting these traits to their students."

    Take these comments to heart to help your students in their future job efforts. Many of the lab assistants I work with suffer these defects and I cannot do anything about it. An unsolvable problem fiven the tenure track administration and the student loss.

  • adjuncthood and professionalism
  • Posted by Suzanne on October 23, 2009 at 11:15am EDT
  • I'd like to second what Mrs. Exposition said. Adjuncts have so little job security they can't safely address these issues.

    That said, blue jeans as evidence of a lack of professionalism? Come on.

  • Blue Jeans? Try Bermuda Shorts
  • Posted by Prelude on October 23, 2009 at 1:15pm EDT
  • See "Capitalism Hits the Fan," a talk given by Rick Wolff a year ago. He's in the Department of Economics at UMass-Amherst. Seems groups of software engineers have long been quitting their jobs. Why? "Some idiot supervisor tells them what to do." They have to work in stuffy offices. "They have to come to work in a tie and jacket, which they hate. They say it stifles their creativity." So they quit and bring their laptops to Harry's garage. They are their own board of directors. They work four days. On Fridays they come to Harry's garage wearing bermuda shorts, a Hawaiian shirt. They bring a frisbee, a dog, and "enough marijuana to get through the day." It is on Fridays they collectively decide what to do with their profits, and what new things to produce. According to Wolff, all the great breakthroughs in softwear engineering over the last 50 years have come from such worker-owned firms. The engineers claim they're happier and more productive working that way than in an authoritarian structure.

    Wolff asserts that this is precisely what Karl Marx called communism, even if these engineers, mostly Republicans, call it "innovative entrepreneurship."

    See the 39-minute lecture on YouTube for more context, including the futility of the liberal drive for "regulation."

    Question: If Wolff is accurately portraying this (or even if he's not) is such behavior unprofessional, or just another form of professionalism?

  • Entitled to What?
  • Posted by Wossamotta U. on October 23, 2009 at 2:15pm EDT
  • As an under 30 worker, I agree that some of the proxies for identifying a lack of professionalism in this piece are attractive. Someone has a visible tattoo, so in this nation we expect to see them wearing a chef's apron, not wearing a white collar. That's all well and good for social reproduction, but it's a poor indicator of ingenuity, work ethic, accumulated knowledge, experience, and just about any other, less visible measure of professionalism you choose. People in my generation want more from a job. Work needs to be a fulfilling part of our lives, and this is different from both the parents of the baby boomers, for whom work was more peripheral, and the boomers themselves, who have built their lives around their careers. Is this entitlement? All we're saying is that we want to have the latitude to seek satisfaction in our work--to define some part of it. If employers give us the capacity to exercise professional choice, even in entry level roles, we've got the enthusiasm and ability to learn to become as important as we act. Yes, we're known for being told we're valuable before ever having had a chance to demonstrate that worth. No, we're not satisfied with the other pole, which says we know nothing because we're young (also suggesting we'll never know anything, because we'll always be young-er). It's too easy for people of my generation to be let down by their employers--to be treated like a piece of technology rather than a blossoming professional. You make me monkey the keys on a keyboard, and you'll get a monkey in return. You let me run with a concept, and I will give you creative, bold, smart work that can only be called professional. So, you tell me--when your social security is borrowing from my paycheck, would you rather have a professional taking over your job or a technocrat?

  • I'm a manager AND a Millenial
  • Posted by PR Director at Multnomah on October 23, 2009 at 2:15pm EDT
  • Seriously, striving for work-life balance and wanting success can not come until you earn it. Otherwise, we could all just barter together and then there would be no need for any of our jobs! Unless you've been responsible/accountable for producing through subordinates (read: been a hiring manager), then you have no idea. Most of us who get indignant over this do so out of ignorance.

    The people I'm forced to interview who are new grads are not people I'd trust to babysit my kids on a Friday night - and I'm their age! Not all of us, but when I get asked by a new girl if she can dye her hair blue - meanwhile all of us are wearing suits and skirts - there is a serious problem, serious because of how obvious these things are! What's wrong with just expecting a compensated individual to just do what's asked of you in your job description and take your paycheck! It's not the end of the world to do so and it's the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, ONLY reason anyone spends $$$$$ on higher ed. The ONLY reason. So it behooves us to prep them on the finer points of being a good citizen wherever they land.

  • Good Citizen
  • Posted by Prelude on October 23, 2009 at 4:00pm EDT
  • The term can carry contradictory meanings, depending on perspective.

    The ONLY reason? What about the problem of alienated labor?

    Maybe a good citizen wants nonalienated, creative control over hir work.

  • The value of higher education
  • Posted by professionalschoolgrad on October 23, 2009 at 4:45pm EDT
  • Directed at "PR Director"-- I find the idea that the only reason people spend money on higher education is because they expect to make big bucks when they get out extremely offensive, and indicative of how the original commenter thinks more than saying something about society as a whole. Yes there are people who shell out money to get a degree (especially the ones who rarely show up for class, treat college as one giant party, and then get upset when they're not handed a cushy position right out of school), but there are also people who take college seriously, and who love the opportunities for greater learning that it gives them. Yes they go to college because our society expects EVERYONE to go to college today (which is a whole other issue/ conversation entirely), but to say that people go to college only because they need a degree is senseless. As a recent entry into the graduate school world, I am living proof that people invest in higher education because it gives us an opportunity to expand our understanding of the subjects we care most about (I wouldn't survive a week in my job without passion for what I'm doing), while also requiring us to have/ use the same soft skills that are necessary for collaboration in the "real world" (i.e. industry). Over 90% of the students and professors I work with every day are polite, respectful, extremely hard working, and what I would consider very professional. There will always be "bad apples" who just don't get it and don't respect others or their time, but in my experience these people are in the minority.

  • Freedom's a two-way street, ain't it?
  • Posted by Frank on October 23, 2009 at 5:45pm EDT
  • " .. Pretty professional, but what was the result? Lehman brothers, Tyco, Worldcom, Merrill Lynch, the worst financial disaster since the great depression, little attention to the environment .. "

    Any job applicant has the freedom to be who they are.

    And I have the freedom NOT to hire them.

    My God -- we're talking about clean collared-sport shirt, khakis, and basic manners expected of five-year-olds.

    That's the end of the world?

    Get a life! Or panhandle the rest of your life!

  • The ONLY reason?
  • Posted by Victoria , Adjunct instructor at none, at the moment on October 23, 2009 at 7:15pm EDT
  • Thank you, professionalschoolgrad - you beat me to the punch! But YOU, "PR Director," really missed the boat - BIGTIME! People go to college for a wide variety of reasons, of which the paycheck is only ONE. The vast majority of us have to earn a living, and that's just how it is, but education can be its own reward! I doubt I am the only American who went some extra distance in college PURELY for the joys and rewards of being challenged academically and intellectually, enjoyed being introduced to areas of study that were new and fascinating, and soaked up knowledge just for the sake of knowing more than I did before. Besides, do you know that the majority of adults are working in a field that has no correlation with what they studied in college? Welcome to the REAL world! Education and career are only two elements of it and NOT the whole shebang!

  • Using Gen X Millennial Standards
  • Posted by Employer on October 23, 2009 at 7:15pm EDT
  • In reply to Wossamotta U:

    To use your self congratulatory perspective - what have you done for ME lately? Remember we hire you. We are not your parents, or your faculty. I paid for the social security of my parents; I guess you are saying you do not have that same sense of social responsibility because it is all about you, isn't it? BTW, too bad, so sad - you are tragically wrong.

  • re: Frank
  • Posted by PS on October 23, 2009 at 10:15pm EDT
  • "Get a life! Or panhandle the rest of your life!"

    What the....? Just because someone is not wearing a "clean-collared shirt and khakis" means they are panhandlers?

    This type of reaction simply clarifies my point. The older generation verbally communicates a set of expectations (in this case, professional dress and manners), but their behavior sets forth an entirely contradictory one, in this case, using phrases like "My God" and "get a life!" Would you hire someone who communicated in an interview that way?

    Sure, you don't have to hire anyone. Personally, I will take a successful and brilliant employee from Google who wears jeans to work over a nice, well-mannered, clean-cut employee from Lehmann Bros. (or most any other private bank or financial firm) whose main interest in theft, graft, corruption, environmental indifference, massive debt, and greed (is that what they taught in school in the 'good old days'?)

    Google is still around (and thriving); Lehmann Bros. is gone. Your employee is in prison, mine is a millionaire. The people with the "manners of a five-year old" win - welcome to 2009 and the legacies of the 60's are mercifully finally gone!

  • Who's Entitled Now?
  • Posted by Wossamotta U. on October 23, 2009 at 11:00pm EDT
  • Employer, I make no broad claims to altruism, but I have chosen a career and a few voluntary endeavors that have allowed me a level of satisfaction, in both my own work and my ability to be constructive in various communities. This experience leaves me excited about the future and allows me to confidently support my fellow young people in seeking the same, reasonable experience.

    While your little dagger takes me a bit off topic, I must respond (I'd say it was my youth, but your comment suggests otherwise). The last time I checked, social security had not yet gone into the red, so beware whose parents you claim to have paid for. It seems that while you feel you have earned the right for someone else to foot your bill, I am only looking for the opportunity to pay what is necessary in the most agreeable way. Which is the more entitled position? My point was not to complain. I simply suggest that you should put into your employees what you hope to get out.

    Fortunately, I am in no poor position in my career. I say fortunately, because I may well have chosen to get that tribal tattoo in high school, but I didn't. I tend to slip into my regional, blue collar dialect around my family of mechanics, carpenters, and fishermen, but I have learned to avoid it in school and in professional settings. To suggest that the people who raised me to be who I am (ambition, idealism, and all), and who look and act in such ways, must be a poor fit for white collar settings in which I am successful is an ill conceived argument. Blue jeans and all, they taught me the meaning of hard work, trustworthiness, ingenuity, etc.

    Professionalism, according to social theory, is the concept that established expertise can afford a person a degree of jurisdictional authority. When my supervisor defers to me as to the process by which I prefer to go about achieving the bullets in my job description, allows me the agency to add a bullet or tweak one here and there, and seeks my advice on issues within that domain, I enjoy my job and thrive in it. I learn by continually shaping and improving my role in conversation with my supervisor. My supervisor reaps the benefits of overseeing a happy, productive team member. I don't suggest you turn over the key to the city to your new employee, but open a door here and there. What you've done so far hasn't worked wonders, has it?

  • Try thinking -- Google's not perfect
  • Posted by Frank on October 24, 2009 at 10:45am EDT
  • " .. Would you hire someone who communicated in an interview that way?"

    Hey bud -- ever watch someone eat fried chicken with his hands during a lecture? Grunt like a pig after grades were handed out? Demand better working conditions than others?

    Get real, bud. Mr. Fried Chicken better be the best HTML programmer in the world, to get a decent job. And how many MITs are there?

    As for any naive, cognitively-jejune thoughts on Google (where 30 of my friends work) -- Goog ain't perfect.

    "China authors say Google violated copyrights"

    Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:06pm EDT

    (Reuters) - A group representing authors in China has accused Google of violating copyrights with its digital library ..

    "Google Plans to Lay Off 200 Workers"

    By Miguel Helft

    Google said Thursday that it would cut about 200 employees from its sales and marketing organization, the third and most significant round of layoffs at the company this year.

    March 26, 2009, 4:54 pm

    ####

    College towns are filled with "critical thinkers" who, like most lawyers, have never done anything hands-on in their lives. They take orders from others ("like fries with that?").

    Good luck, avoiding that lifestyle, pal.

  • lollollolollolllolololol
  • Posted by 3rd year undergrad on October 24, 2009 at 4:30pm EDT
  • It pains me to think (well, we know...) of professionalism and millennial's lack thereof as a structural issue that requires over 150 words of intellecualization...but good lord is it really that hard for a spoiled brat to realize when it's time to act like an adult?

  • Definition of professionalization?
  • Posted by R1 Instructor on October 24, 2009 at 6:30pm EDT
  • Perhaps our discussion could be furthered if we clarify what we mean by professionalization. I see a lot of these comments referring to appearance (esp. tattoos) and less about behavior. While professional attire is certainly important, I personally could care less if someone has a tattoo provided that they are wearing clean dress slacks/skirt and a top that is not too tight or revealing. What really matters is how they treat other people and if they submit their work on time. I am not in the corporate world currently, but for a time I was a manager, and most of my employees knew what professional attire was. This is not meant to minimize the concerns that other commenters have presented, but we need to decide on what kinds of professionalization matter the most (and attire does of course vary depending on one's job).

    Thus, the real problem as I see it is with employees who don't complete assignments on time, have a plethora of grammatical errors in their written work, refuse to figure things out for themselves (preferring instead to bother the manager and ask for help), etc. These are the same problems that I encounter in my students now that I am a university teacher. Most of these relate to students' inability (or outright refusal, in some cases) to take responsibility for their actions. If we can teach our undergraduates about the importance of responsibility I would think that these professionalization issues would appear less frequently.

  • Academics ... the next best thing to insurance agents
  • Posted by Frizbane Manley on October 25, 2009 at 6:00am EDT
  • I have a friend, a graduate of the University of Illinois (psychology), who completed a year of graduate work in sociology at Northwestern. He dropped out, worked for a short time, and then borrowed about $8,000 from his friends and $1,000 from his mother to start a business.

    That was in 1953, and, between then and now, the value of his exceedingly well-run business – and he has been CEO for most of that time -- grew from $9,000 to somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 million ... and it has been valued at much more than that at various times in the interim. His residence is worth $100 million, and he routinely donates money to universities.

    In any event, my friend – who puts in many more hours per day (even at 83 years old) than your typical whiney academic – sometimes works much of the day in his pajamas, he occasionally imbibes during the work day, and the dress code for his employees ... WHEW!!!

    http://www.alexshalman.com/2008/06/23/hugh-hefners-7-step-guide-to-being-a-ladies-man/

    So, IHE, tell that genius-laden clientele of yours to get a life.

  • Worried about Generation Z
  • Posted by Lil Johnny on October 25, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • Thirty years from now, the Millennials will be running things and they will be worried about the work ethic or behaviors of Generation Z. And when Generation Z is running society, they will be worried about the talents, skills, and behaviors of Generation AA. These generational clashes have been happening for a long, long time. Remember when older adults worried about the fuure of the world in the hands of the hippies (baby boomers)? The older generation has always criticized and been concerned about the behaviors of the younger generation... and they always will. It's simply human nature.

  • Learning and Self Discipline
  • Posted by Jim , Instructor at Community Colleges on October 26, 2009 at 5:15am EDT
  • Employers and colleges are beginning to reap what we have suffered through for years in high schools across the country.

    I've just ended 32 years teaching high school students, and continue working with college and adult students. The growing lack of self discipline, including widespread use of obscene language, and the spread of bad, often violent, behavior began in my school about 10 years ago. Uncivil behavior and violence in and out of the school surrounds our students. My students were urban, suburban, rural, public and parochial. Some of the behavior in my community has led to student shootings and deaths. In my last year teaching high school we had dozens of security cameras and police officers throughout the building. But those measures only catch the perpetrators and do little to change attitudes or behaviors. Counselors were eliminated and tutors and social workers have been cut from our budgets. (Oh yes, and we are supposed to make annual yearly progress on standardized tests too. Many of the students often blow those off.)

    Make no mistake, students will learn the lessons we provide--even if the lessons are that you can ignore any rule you wish and bully your way through life, unrestrained by anyone or anything. Later they may get the violent but logical end to that fallacy--but we all suffer.

    The failure of parents and school administrators to enforce basic civil behavior is not serving young people well. They are learning the wrong lessons. We are creating a lost generation. Many are being swept into a whirlwind of violence, teen pregnancy, gambling, and drug abuse--and any real learning has taken a back seat. Too many students now view creative criticism or basic discipline as disrespect by the teacher or administrator.

    I think some of the commentators mistake the freedom to be creative and think critically with the basic need for social behavior that respects others and allows for learning.

    Those of us in education better get a handle on this or the entire system will go down. Learning takes work and discipline--we need to teach that.

  • Frizbane
  • Posted by Kate on October 26, 2009 at 10:15am EDT
  • That just made my morning. Thank you.

    As a Millennial who has been in the working world for a few years, I'm very interested in these comments. I work in a young office where we're required to wear business casual. I've seen some inappropriate attire, but it's usually dealt with and people move on. Frankly I think different environments call for different things. What's ok in my office may not be ok in yours. We like to celebrate birthdays, engagements/weddings, the birth of a child, etc, but maybe that's unprofessional to some people. We still get our work done and act professionally.

    I can't help but think to myself-so you've got some unprofessional Millennials working for you. Pull them aside, discuss the problem(s), and if it's not fixed you take action. Stop blaming all of us and take care of the problems at hand.

    Also, what's wrong with wanting a fulfilling job? Happy employees do better work than unhappy employees. That doesn't make it "all about me." Makes it about my work, actually, and that benefits everyone.

  • Posted by Laura , Graduate Student on October 28, 2009 at 6:15pm EDT
  • I think that is more of a reflection on parenting style changes than on university education. Baby Boomers have spoiled their children in ways that Gen Xers will never understand. Most of those hiring are Gen Xers and most of those applying are Gen Yers. The communication gap between groups comes from different values taught by different parents. I think it is impossible to expect that universities be responsible for correcting parental decisions that have shaped current college students. By the time a child reaches adulthood things like behavior, affect, and values are quite difficult to change. Only through experience, can those Gen Yers learn to shape up, conform, or be fired.

  • We are still left chasing our tail.
  • Posted by Chris on October 30, 2009 at 12:00pm EDT
  • A survey to assess professionalism? Is this useful? Only if you are trying to sell a college program which promises to impart professionalism. A few years ago I read a book of poems by the Chinese poetry. One poem jumped out at me, and I wish I could now remember the title! In this poem, the author lamented that the youth of today are irresponsible and lack direction. Why is this interesting? Because the poem was from 1500 BC!

    I went to a military school and do take pride in being professional, courteous, and responsible. But like everything in life, these qualities are just one piece of the puzzle. If professionalism is an issue in a particular workplace, then the workplace can enforce those expectations. The fact that new graduates don't immediately fall lock-stop into line with the expectations and wishes of their employers is not a tragedy, or an emergency.

    And the specific areas of lacking:
    “accepts personal responsibility for decision and actions"
    “is able to act independently"
    “has a clear sense of direction and purpose.”
    These do not sound like professionalism issues. They seem like complaints of "My new employees don't do things the way I want them done." It reminds me of one more quote from an old Chinese text, this time from Sun Tzu's Art of War:
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    Sun Tzu, whose personal name was Wu, was a native of the Ch'i state. His Art of War brought him to the notice of Ho Lu, King of Wu. Ho Lu said to him, "I have carefully perused your thirteen chapters. May I submit your theory of managing soldiers to a slight test?" Sun Tzu replied, "You may." The king asked, "May the test be applied to women?"

    The answer was again in the affirmative, so arrangements were made to bring 180 ladies out of the palace. Sun Tzu divided them into two companies and placed one of the king's favorite concubines at the head of each. He then made them all take spears in their hands and addressed them thus: "I presume you know the difference between front and back, right hand and left hand?"

    The girls replied, "Yes."

    Sun Tzu went on. "When I say 'eyes front,' you must look straight ahead. When I say 'left turn,' you must face toward your left hand. When I say 'right turn,' you must face toward your right hand. When I say 'about turn,' you must face right around toward the back."

    Again the girls assented. The words of command having been thus explained, he set up the halberds and battle-axes in order to begin the drill. Then to the sound of drums he gave the order "right turn," but the girls only burst out laughing.

    Sun Tzu said patiently, "If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame." He started drilling them again and this time gave the order "left turn," whereupon the girls once more burst into fits of laughter.

    Then he said, "If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, the general is to blame. But if his orders are clear and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their officers." So saying, he ordered the leaders of the two companies to be beheaded.

    Now the King of Wu was watching from the top of a raised pavilion, and when he saw that his favorite concubines were about to be executed, he was greatly alarmed and hurriedly sent down the following message: "We are now quite satisfied as to our general's ability to handle troops. If we are bereft of these two concubines, our meat and drink will lose their savor. It is our wish that they shall not be beheaded. "

    Sun Tzu replied even more patiently: "Having once received His Majesty's commission to be general of his forces, there are certain commands of His Majesty which, acting in that capacity, I am unable to accept." Accordingly, and immediately, he had the two leaders beheaded and straightaway installed the pair next in order as leaders in their place. When this had been done the drum was sounded for the drill once more. The girls went through all the evolutions, turning to the right or to the left, marching ahead or wheeling about, kneeling or standing, with perfect accuracy and precision, not venturing to utter a sound.

    Then Sun Tzu sent a messenger to the king saying: "Your soldiers, sire, are now properly drilled and disciplined and ready for Your Majesty's inspection. They can be put to any use that their sovereign may desire. Bid them go through fire and water and they will not now disobey."

    But the king replied: "Let our general cease drilling and return to camp. As for us, we have no wish to come down and inspect the troops."

    Thereupon Sun Tzu said calmly: "The king is only fond of words and cannot translate them into deeds."

    After that the King of Wu saw that Sun Tzu was one who knew how to handle an army, and appointed him general. In the west Sun Tzu defeated the Ch'u state and forced his way into Ying, the capital; to the north he put fear into the states of Ch'i and Chin, and spread his fame abroad among the feudal princes. And Sun Tzu shared in the might of the kingdom.